The Bnetwork Guestbook Archives: 9-30 November 1997


I have been working towards conclusions similiar to those Mr Quinn proposes in Ishamel and The Story of B through extensive readings in religion, philosophy, biology, physics, history, etc. However, nowhere else except in Ishmael and The Story of B ha ve my thoughts been captured so succinctly and eloquently. My readings leave me in a quandry given my current position in life and Mr Quinn's novels are a very refreshing change. I hope that the insights they provide me will carry over into my daily lif e (i.e. current home and work life however difficult an audience the latter may be) and future occupation (after military retirement). I trust that others will use Mr Quinn's writings along with other current writings to form a comprehensive knowledge of where we are and we are going. The challenge I see myself facing as an individual in American society is to accept Mr Quinn's challenge and translate it into my daily life so that the message is passed on to my children and those others I can trust to l isten, accept and pass on as well. I have to add that having read most of the guestbook signings - those who look only to the fantastic and otherworldly are not accepting Mr Quinn's message; they are denying it. Thanks.
LTC Dale A. Hueber <huedale@aol.com>
Ft Leavenworth, KS USA - Sunday, November 30, 1997 at 17:28:16 (PST)
I HAVE READ THE STORY OF "B". I'M UNSURE IF I AM CONVENCED BY THE ARGUMENTS, BUT IT IS ORIGINAL THOUGHT ON THE SUBJECT. I WILL CONTINUE TO MULL THIS OVER.
GIBBESF@AOL.COM <F. GIBBES>
COLUMBIA, SC USA - Saturday, November 29, 1997 at 14:09:42 (PST)
these to books, ishmael & the story of B are just wonder works. maybe dq will give us a non-fiction book that brings the same message.
marie chilton <ilovetravel>
columbia, md USA - Saturday, November 29, 1997 at 11:10:09 (PST)
I'm ready! Let's save the world!
Sharon Reed-Erickson < reedson@nh.ultranet.com>
Rochester, NH USA - Friday, November 28, 1997 at 11:26:04 (PST)
Re' Joel..
I drop in from time to time...an just wanted to commend your excellent post. And while i'm here, would like to put in the word for pressuring NASA and JPL/Malin to release Global Surveyor images of Cydonia and the Face on Mars...FYI see www.enterprisemiss ion.com/ Let's here it for putting mother culture into a tailspin!!!

Autumn Mullins <Adgm039@aol.com>
Fl USA - Tuesday, November 25, 1997 at 19:42:07 (PST)
It's good to see places such as this website where people from all over can communicate about change. Hopefully in the future, we will have more avenues such as this to share our thoughts and ideas. For indeed, it is becoming more and more clear to m e that one of the main things hindering our revolution, is our inability to simply communicate with one another in a clear and honest manner. YOU CAN'T TRUST ANYONE ANYMORE, AND IT HURTS! This may infact be the first step towards change, for how can we e ver hope to cooperate with those we can't trust, and how can we trust those with whom our communication is still restricted to the superficial, and alarmingly dishonest manner that our culture has taught us. Our competitive society has taught us to fear one another, and our fear is what prevents us from getting close; from getting past all the bullshit protocol to a point where we can accurately share inovative ideas.

I hope everyone will come to see that these wonderful ideas Mr. Quinn is publishing, are only a foundation; a spring board in understanding that can lead one in many wonderful directions, with no endpoint in mind. If he has taught us anything, he has tau ght us to unlearn the lies laid on us by mother culture; that this is an essential avenue we must take if we are to regain our freedom. Physical freedom my friends, depends upon mental freedom, something we all can and must achieve, for as Quinn points o ut, the world will not be changed by those who are still the mental slaves of mother culture, only by those whose minds have moved past her limitations; whose have allowed their perspectives to be more and more set free. Mother culture is a learned decep tion. She governs not only not only all of our social interactions with each other, our language and acceptable behavior, but ultimately she is the defining force that binds our understanding of literally all things. She conditions us over time; builds inside of us an understanding of what is normal (seen regularly) and of what is abnormal (rarely if ever seen). As we continue to shed her lies, it is my belief that we will all come to enjoy a much less deceptive social climate, based around mental free dom and clear, honest communication. A safer climate, in which people interact without fear of judgement, because when one has no conception of what is normal, one equally has no conception of what is abnormal, and therefore no standpoint from which to c ast judgement, good or bad, upon anything he or she sees.
Lets all go nuts together...

Loving you all,
Joel.



Joel Futch <50900@ef.ev.maricopa.edu>
Phoenix, AZ USA - Monday, November 24, 1997 at 15:52:09 (PST)
I am B. I here write that I might gain an audience for a page I have worked diligently on. I humbly request that readers come take a look see, and let me know what you think. Enjoy the day.

http://members.aol.com/Doz2001/dozpage.index.html

Of course, some of the ideas presented on this page come from the DQ novels...and some don't. Come on by, see for yourself.

Doz <doz2001@aol.com>
Orlando, FL USA - Saturday, November 22, 1997 at 08:35:31 (PST)
How´re you doin´everyone?
Unfortunately I can´t join you in praising my Ishmael, cuz I didn´t get it yet. I´m looking forward.
What I´m trying to do at the moment is put Ishmael´s and B´s ideas about the world to the test of science. I think that has to be done, and I´m optimistic that it´ll pass that test, but it´s a lot of work, still.
I just wrote an essay for a student magazine, and I stumbled over the food thing, "human beings are made of food", and I think the arguments are not yet perfect, not diamondlike pure and hard.
Are women physically sterile when under- or not very wellnourished? If not, how could we stop population explosion in areas where simply can´t or must not be more food, as our culture proves that common sense not necessarily determines our behavior.
How can we prevent mass starvation for the case we stop food increase, if the explosion simply continues; of course the population increase would slowly level off, cuz people won´t live long enough to multiply, but there has to be a better way.

Alex <alex.newman@stud.uni-hannover.de>
hannover, NI Germany - Thursday, November 20, 1997 at 14:07:04 (PST)
I recently finished "The Story of B" anjd I have to admit that it opened my eyes a little bit wider. I agree with alot that Quinn says in this book. The insanity of our socity will be the ending of the most popular beleifes in this world. Reform is our only salvation.
Timothy Wood <binge.purge@usa.net>
Carey, id USA - Thursday, November 20, 1997 at 10:58:54 (PST)
I recently finished "The Story of B" anjd I have to admit that it opened my eyes a little bit wider. I agree with alot that Quinn says in this book. The insanity of our socity will be the ending of the most popular beleifes in this world. Reform is our only salvation.
Timothy George Wood <binge.purge@usa.net>
Carey, id USA - Thursday, November 20, 1997 at 10:54:25 (PST)
Alright, I finished MY ISHMAEL last week. Im not sure if I already commented on it, but if I already did, Sorry! Gotta do it again. My Ishmael was Fabulous!! The best of the Three so far. It tied them all into each other sooo nicely that they shoul d all be bound together and if you are going to read one you must read all three. :)

Melissa <mcarroll@massart.edu>
Boston, MA USA - Thursday, November 20, 1997 at 07:33:50 (PST)
WONDERFUL! What an eye opener! I've never read a book that has had so much impact on my life. I have been sharing it with others in need of a paradigm shift. Thank you.
Joseph M. Gaul <joe_m_gaul@email.mobil.com>
Monee, IL USA - Tuesday, November 18, 1997 at 19:48:43 (PST)
Well. Ive been with you since your first book of revolutionary change (Ishmael). I just finished reading your newest My Ishmael, and I can't thank you enough for having written this. It was incredible! I think about the ideas presented constan tly. I don't think that I know anyone whom I haven't recommended any of your writings to.
I'll be a teacher in a few years, and while I almost feel guilty in response to the book i just finished, it is my opinion that I would will make a much better teacher having read these books than not. By keeping in mind the ideas expressed through your books, i feel that i can take this new knowledge and apply in (hopefully) in such a way as that i might make as much of an impact on my students as it did on me. My Ishmael is, for now, the best thing i have to a "plan" as to how to go about expres sing these "revalations" to young minds.
I welcome any comments that this signing might raise, and make a special request to teacher at the elementary school level to forward their experiences and suggestions to me.
Once again, thank you for putting your thoughts onto paper, and allowing the world to make of it what it will.
Joy Harris

Joy Harris <Joyh@hotmail.com>
Visalia, Ca USA - Tuesday, November 18, 1997 at 17:52:24 (PST)
Hip hip hurrays also come from me for My Ishmael. More absolutly fabulous Ideas. That I can't share with other people enough. Actually, some people I know I have iritated with my constant insisting that EVERYONE READ THESE BOOKS!!!!!!!!! And since I 've read My Ishmael I have been even more crazy about getting people as interested in this as I am. I can't seem to get it across as clear as I would like to people that these books changed ALL MY VIEWS ON LIFE.
Until next time.

Mel <mcarroll@massart.edu>
Boston, MA USA - Monday, November 17, 1997 at 14:35:35 (PST)
a-jamiem@microsoft.com e-mailed me and told me to put the URL of the NY Times Forum on this page so others could go to it. If you do, my ID is "colemancole." See what I've written there and please add to (or correct) it. Thanx for the interest (keep writing here too. I need to see some sanity). You'll have to subscribe (get an ID and password) but IT'S FREE. The address is

http://forums.nytimes.com/webin/WebX?13@@.ee908b1


Later.

Russ Hopfenberg <RussH100@aol.com>
Chapel Hill, NC USA - Monday, November 17, 1997 at 12:32:49 (PST)
AHH!! I can't visit this site until I've finished My Ishmael. I've heard good things, esp. about the ending and I don't want to accidently read anything that mgiht give it away. I'm just signing in to say I won't look for a while. I'll have to read th e archives later. Also, I must confess, I'VE BEEN CHEATING ON ALL OF YOU. I've been posting messages to the NY Times forum on "The Economy and the Environment." It's lonely being the only one writing there with our perspective. Please cheat with me!! Later - after I've finished reading.
Russ Hopfenberg <RussH100@aol.com>
Chapel Hill, NC USA - Monday, November 17, 1997 at 05:53:02 (PST)
AHH!! I can't visit this site until I've finished My Ishmael. I'm just signing in to say I won't look for a while. I'll have to read the archives later. Also, I must confess, I'VE BEEN CHEATING ON ALL OF YOU. I've been postoing messages to the NY Times forum on
Russ Hopfenberg <RussH100@aol.com>
Chapel Hill, NC USA - Monday, November 17, 1997 at 05:41:00 (PST)
The book made too much sense to me to be anything other than true. I doubt that at this point in history we can go back to the tribal way of life, as described in the book. But I want to be a part of the community that survives when the Great Forgett ing runs its course and dies out, to start again to live as thousands of our ancestors lived before the Great Forgetting took place. I just hope that there will be enough left to begin again. If it is true that those things which naturally do not work o ver time must die out, then our insane culture should, by all rights, go the way of the dinosaur. I am grateful that these books have been written. I am one of those who, having read the book, asks the question, "what now?'
Lynn VanDyke <vand@proaxis.com>
Albany, OR USA - Monday, November 17, 1997 at 00:40:53 (PST)
Hi Friends of Ishmael;
I finished "My Ishmael" last Wensday and have passed it onto two other "friends of" since and have set six others back on there heels unashamedly with the new inspiration that I have recieved from "My Ishmael". They all will continue to be in further cont act with me and hopefully the rest of us. These things can and must happen to give us a future and real meaning. Just learn to do it, it works, but pick your students carefully, to avoid repeated frustrations, some will always be "Takers" or intellectully twist your knowledge. Trust your conscience and instincts, they may be mistaken sometimes, but they do not lie.
The future is positive and possible.

John V. Anderson <jonjon@info2000,net>
Fort Collins, CO USA - Sunday, November 16, 1997 at 19:57:23 (PST)
greetings all...
i finished my ishmael last night. i won't spoil the end for those who have yet to read or buy it. all i will say is hooray!!! there are very interesting points on education, alan (narrator of ishmael), cults and gangs, and religion. i admit i was skep tical at first as t o how this book would differ from the first, but daniel quinn has carreied the teachings of ishmael a little farther now. now we need the sequel to b!!!!
be good,
willyum.

willyum <willyum76@hotmail.com>
plano, tx USA - Saturday, November 15, 1997 at 11:10:45 (PST)
A new rendition of "Guide for the Perplexed"--- (source unknown)

"This life is a test. It is only a test. If this had been an actual life, you would have received further instructions on where to go and what to do. Remember: this life is only a test."


Tom Carey <tomcarey@mindspring.com>
Norcross, GA USA - Friday, November 14, 1997 at 08:30:59 (PST)
Glad to be here, and glad that DQ has so masterfully exposed our plight. His trilogy (or quartet, including "Providence") loosens "mother culture's" apron strings enough to allow many to see the world beyond the food-stained (and blood-stained) fabric . I'm not sure what kind of community the B-Network comprises, but I suspect and expect it's influence will grow. I will do my part toward that end...
Steve Seaberg <EasyMotion@msn.com>
New Hartford, NY USA - Thursday, November 13, 1997 at 13:17:15 (PST)
Glad to be here, and glad that DQ has so masterfully exposed our plight. His trilogy (or quartet, including "Providence") loosens "mother culture's" apron strings enough to allow many to see the world the food-stained (and blood-stained) fabric. I'm n ot sure what kind of community the B-Network comprises, but I suspect and expect it's influence will grow. I will do my part toward that end...
Steve Seaberg <EasyMotion@msn.com>
New Hartford, NY USA - Thursday, November 13, 1997 at 13:15:50 (PST)
hey kids,
i have to add my two cents in praise of my ishmael. the whole address on our educational system is quite true. i'm still in college now wondering why i have to take certain classes having nothing to do with my degree. granted i take a lot of extra clas ses for my own interests and learning, i don't like being told to take superfluous classes. i admit that i'm only in school to buy time. i, too, have been telling myself daily since i don't know when, "i gotta get out of here." now i have to find the w ay. this is the force behind the earth tribe. may you all read my ishmael soon. be good.
-willyum.

willyum <willyum76@hotmail.com>
plano, tx USA - Wednesday, November 12, 1997 at 13:45:24 (PST)
Hi Ya'll.
I am about a third of the way through My Ishmael right now. This book opens things up even more. It shows the distinct differences between our culture (takers) and the leaver cultures. And points out sooo well how much WE DON'T WORK!!
The breakdown of our educational system made me sad:( and made me see how true this is!!!
Wow - those are my comments for now. (and, GO GET THE BOOK!!)
Possibly, until I finish My Ishmael,
Melissa

Mel <mcarroll@massart.edu>
Boston, MA USA - Wednesday, November 12, 1997 at 13:27:58 (PST)
please look me up if ever your path takes you to Haiti. Island of mystery....
Patrick Bonnefil <pbonnefil@haytrac.com>
port au prince, Haiti - Wednesday, November 12, 1997 at 13:08:18 (PST)
Unlike Jared of B, I jump too fast to conclusions. I assumed the film Quinn calls "NOT based on Ishmael" was not consulting with the voice of Ishmael and instead was going to do a bad "LaLa land" ventriloquist act of Ishmael. I am wrong, having read t he Ishmael Update. I wanted to create a movie that IS based on Ishmael--MYSTERYHISTORY--as you may have read in previous posts, assuming the movie stood alone in this respect. I still want to create this movie despite my assumption being wrong.
The Hollywood movie, called Instinct, has similar storylines to MysteryHistory---both contain mental hospitals anyway. Whether or not the themes, plot, and messages are similar I can't tell. I hope not, and assume not completely. I am going to continue wr iting MysteryHistory under the assumption the movie I am helping start will be more powerful, more organic, and more directed towards people of my generation.. I want to see Instinct very badly, don't get me wrong. But I also want to see MysteryHistory ( outside of my imagination) even more. Please don't count my friends and I out with this new Hollywood movie being made. I say the more movies (and other media) being made about Quinn's books the better.
THE MYSTERYHISTORY WEB SITE
http://www.olywa.net/mysteryhistory/mystery.htm
(Features: Script sample, premise by premise account of logic behind script, how you can get involved, and more!).

Dennis Lanigan <mysteryhistory@olywa.net>
Olympia, WA USA - Tuesday, November 11, 1997 at 16:47:10 (PST)
Hi all --

Many have been asking about this thing called "The Ishmael Update" and finally I am responding! "The Ishmael Update" is an occasionally produced newsletter from the Quinns, sent to people who contacted them via regular mail over the past few years. This p ractice has been made obsolete by the websites, and so this 1997 version of "The Ishmael Update" is likely to be the last.

Anyway, I have converted the entire thing to html and made it available here...
http://www.ishmael.org/current/IshUp97~toc.htm

Enjoy!

Alan

Alan Thornhill <webmaster@bnetwork.com>
Houston, TX USA - Monday, November 10, 1997 at 18:38:14 (PST)
Reading Ishmael was one of the best experiences I have had. It was
given to me by a friend whom I have since enjoyed many such enlightening experiences.
I am currently in the middle of the "Story of B" and again I am turning the pages anxiously.
As I read I grow more concerned that here we have this wonderful information and may still somehow blow it.
I was also excited and frightened to see some of the responses to the work. I worry that we may run off half cocked
before we really understand what is going on here. The last thing I'd like to see is the 2 books becoming a hand book
on how to further justify this mad existence of ours. I really hope that we are letting this sink in before we run
out on the envangelist path. This is a magnificent opportunity to really change our worldview. It will not happen overnight
and as B says we can not predict the new vision as it will be something we have never seen before.
A special thanks to Daniel Quinn for this new possibility.

Lorraine Gary <elgee121@aol.com>
Miami, FL USA - Monday, November 10, 1997 at 15:53:18 (PST)
Some encouraging news. I attended a workshop this weekend. I found out that a history prof. at a large university is using B as a text. Also a religion prof. is using Ishmael. The workshop presenter is president of a small university. I urged her to read Ishmael. She said she would and that her husband uses Ishmael and B as texts in courses that he teaches. (I also got several others at the workshop interested). This is encouraging.
Russ Hopfenberg <RussH100@aol.com>
Chapel Hill, NC USA - Monday, November 10, 1997 at 04:51:23 (PST)
i don't really have much to say today but i'll think for a sec......i'm about halfway thru my ishmael now and am very entertained. i feel it doesn't really have as much to say as ishmael and b, but i still have faith and hope for the remaining pages. thank you d.q. for the new material and thanx to alan for the site to discuss. everyone wish alex better luck in enlightening people to the new order. heck, you got me to read ishmael didn't you. the first book i'd read in years. i always knew there w ould be a book that would make me literate again. quinn wrote it; you told me it existed. now i read as much as possible. you da man!!!!
may the force be with you all......
-willyum

willyum <willyum76@hotmail.com>
plano, tx USA - Sunday, November 09, 1997 at 22:34:36 (PST)
Kudos to Rennie for The Ismael Update 1997. Excited to read about Future Positive/Foundation for a New Worldview and that Daniel is working on a How To Help book. In the meantime, I'll continue to keep in touch. Your web sites will be greatly appre ciated. Sincere thanks.
Howard Trumbull <trumbull_hw@juno.com>
Goshen, IN USA - Sunday, November 09, 1997 at 17:51:39 (PST)