The Ishmael Guestbook Archives: November 1996


Enjoyed the book so much I am going to use it as a texbook next semester! Nicely written! Dan Barwick
Dan Barwick <adanb@aol.com>
Springville, NY USA - Friday, November 29, 1996 at 11:06:10 (PST)
A FANTASTIC BOOK!! I am a prospective teacher. I obtained a Bachelor of Science degree majoring in Biological Sciences. I was reccommended this book by an education professor at the U of A, Dr. Wangler. This book has provided som provacative insight into our culture. I am impressed with Daniel Quinn. (Why did he choose the story of Cain and Abel though?) I have not experiences a more profound arguement for changing the way we do things. He even makes us feel a little confident that sustainable living is possible for humans. I highly reccommend this book to absolutely everyone.
Greg Wondga <gwondga@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca>
Edmonton, AB CANADA - Thursday, November 28, 1996 at 11:46:56 (PST)
I enjoyed reading this book a great deal. It was not your ordinary everyday thoughtless dreck. It was very thought invoking, and I thank you for the experience.
Andy Lins <vwce91b@prodigy.com>
Troy, OH USA - Wednesday, November 27, 1996 at 12:09:54 (PST)
Ishmael bowled me over the first, (and subsequent), time(s) that i've read it. i've been travelling for years, and always wanted to get farther off the beaten track each time i've gone out. meeting and experiencing the culture and lives of day-to-day cultures, leaver cultures, was always something of interest to me, but i lacked the background that i found in ishmael. with that, i recently travelled to africa, where i spent some time with the samburu and turkana peoples. ishmael was the book that shook my foundations of my culture, and introduced the concept and interest of the leaver culture. strangly enough, ismail was the local guide who took me to my first, real encounter with these peoples. i have written it up, with pictures, at http://www.infoservice.com/mickm/ ishamel will continue to have an impact in my future travels as well, one of which is to ecuador to visit and learn from the secoya people there.
Mickey Mestel <mickm@netcom.com>
Palo Alto, CA USA - Tuesday, November 26, 1996 at 20:43:06 (PST)
Ishmael is an amazing and inspirational book. Everyone should read this. It's made me a little apocalyptic in my outlook on the world. What can we do if our entire culture is "wrong"? I wrack my brain everyday to try to work it out, but all I come up with is guilt. I guess hypocrisy is inevitable. Anyways, good luck to all like-minded thinkers out there. Cheers, Andy
Andrew Caffrey <acaffre1@cc.swarthmore.edu>
Swarthmore, PA USA - Tuesday, November 26, 1996 at 17:09:33 (PST)
I had never heard of this book until it was a required reading for my intro to anthropology class. When I started to read it, in order to write a book review, I found that I could not put it down. I had to know what happened next, what else I could lea rn. I absolutely love this book- it is one of the few I have read lately which required me to think. This is the only book I had to buy for my first semester at college that I will *not* be selling back at the end of the semester.
Brigid Leaf <BRIGIDL@WAM.UMD.EDU>
College Park, Mmd USA - Tuesday, November 26, 1996 at 13:54:48 (PST)
I agree with Quinn when he implied that feeding starvation will only increase population. We are like drops of water dripping into a jar; it may take eternity to fill the jar to the brim, but eventually the jar will be full. I urge everyone to veiw starvation and famine as a fact life that all God's creature will encounter. We will all eventually die...and we should not try to hide from death...
Andie <Nemesis211>
Troy, OH USA - Tuesday, November 26, 1996 at 13:12:38 (PST)
Ishmael has led me to believe that living in a more "leaver-like" manner is the only way to live. With each decision, I ask myself, "Is this simple?, Is this enjoyable? and "Will this decision hurt anybody else." While there are no easy answers to life's pressing questions, there are simpler ways to approach arriving at those answers. Thank you Mr. Quinn for alerting me to the pleasures of simplicity. Steve Segore Albany, New York
Steve Segore <seorese@bigfoot.com>
Albany, NY USA - Tuesday, November 26, 1996 at 12:18:09 (PST)
Wow.
Michael McKeown <mckeown@onr.com>
Austin, TX USA - Tuesday, November 26, 1996 at 12:11:45 (PST)
For those who had powerfully shattering experiences with Ishmael but don't know what to do or read after, i suggest Ecotopia by Ernest Callenbach. It's sort of the next step, with the scenario being that the Pacific Northwest decides to break off from the U.S. to create a sustainable state. Also try Paul Weatherford's Savages and Civilization, which is the factual flesh that clothes the theoretical bones of Ishmael. It gives a historical account of the rise of human culture and its effects from the time of the agricultural revolution to today. I'm gonna get B today. However, DQ, i wish the book was available in paperback because i can barely afford the hardcover. Peace.
Omar Nazif
San Francisxo, CA USA - Tuesday, November 26, 1996 at 10:50:27 (PST)
This kind of thinking has been smoldering among us for millenia, always beaten down by the sweet siren of sleep that Mother Culture introduces our species to in order to protect her own existence. Once in a while, someone takes the chance and tries to shake a few of us awake. Thanks for being one of the shakers...and please do visit our site!
Charles Wolff <cw49@cornell.edu>
Trumansburg, NY USA - Tuesday, November 26, 1996 at 07:41:26 (PST)
Ishmael offered a creative new way to view mankinds predicament. I also enjoyed the way difficult biblical passages were interpreted by Ishmael. I was stirred up enough by it to surf the net. I was sure people would want to connect on this.
Stephen R. Daly
USA - Monday, November 25, 1996 at 21:29:20 (PST)
ISHMAEL is a powerful and much-needed novel. It revealed so much about our own self-induced destruction. I am glad there are other people out there who've been impacted as greatly as I. I am convinced that working together, we can and will save the planet. Keep believing and sticking together.
Heather Demarest <demaresh@bvsd.k12.co.us>
Boulder, CO USA - Sunday, November 24, 1996 at 10:52:50 (PST)
I am still reading "Ishmael", but I am finding it extremely enlightening. I am a student of biology and find that I have had thoughts about the future of mankind and how our evolutionary predecessor will treat the planet. Obviously, none of us will b e around to see it. But, it is inevitable. Just ask the jellyfish.
Larry Callahan <juncoman@earthlink.net>
Glendale Heights, IL USA - Saturday, November 23, 1996 at 22:18:54 (PST)
As I have a basically pessimistic view of the future of humanity, I loved "Ishmael" because it showed me what the problem was - the story we enact. And although Ishmael didn't tell me exactly what to do to change the story, he did give me an alternati ve. And knowing that there is an alternative story gives me the hope to believe that someday we humans will figure out how to live as part of the world instead of at war with it.
Jennifer Gingrich <jcgingri@acs.ucalgary.ca>
Calgary, AB Canada - Saturday, November 23, 1996 at 14:18:19 (PST)
ok, we all agree that ishmael was astounding. whether you chose to accept the philosophy given or not is a personal choice. i choose to accept it, and so have many of the people ive suggested the book to. however, from my own personal experience, an d from reading what others here have read, we all seem to be at a loss as to how to proceed from this point forward. i plan on becoming an elementary teacher, i want to incorporate this into my work, i want to help save the world, but how? anyone with a ny suggestions let me know. ive a new vision, but im still participating in the programs. i still recycle, i walk, i conserve energy, and water. how else can i change things without just up and heading for the hills? please, i want more. the book was originally assigned as a college classes assigned reading. thanks to rob hansen at the college of the sequoias bio. 25. i feel differently about the world i live in, and am distroying. help.
joy harris <joyh@hotmail.com>
visalia, ca USA - Friday, November 22, 1996 at 18:59:39 (PST)
Yes I was there in the 60's and 70's revolution! It took us until 1991 to start living some of our dreams! Ishmael came along and I realized that we not the only ones going through a re-awakening. Just finished reading "The Story of B." Have recommende d the books to many people and found that some are ready and some aren't. We are in living in interesting times again!
Pat Beeson <Pat.Beeson@MCI.com>
Cedaredge, CO USA - Friday, November 22, 1996 at 16:01:53 (PST)
Basically confused - does he pervade an attitude of "survival of the fittest"? - is the book merely an expansion of man's inability to think for himself - the gorrilla serves what purpose - is Ishmael playing a devil's advocate
Libby <tjht14@erinet.com>
Troy, OH USA - Thursday, November 21, 1996 at 13:18:00 (PST)
I have read both "Ishmael" and "The Story of B" and have had all the ususal mind altering experiences as most. I use the term "mind altering" as opposed to "life altering" because whilr my views on almost everything has changed, my lifestyle has not. What's wrong? Is it too late? Don't I care? While Mr. Quinn has very clearly outlined our problems, and the way we need to live to fix those problems, I haven't come across anything the bridges the gap to HOW we will make the changes. The most optimis tic future I think would be to forestall catastrophy by colonization off earth. Other than that, any other solution is bound to be a horror beyond imagining. I want to be B, but other than simply reading and rereading the books, how do I make the messag e my own? I need a teacher.
Dalla Hayes <dallas@walrus.com>
New York, NY USA - Thursday, November 21, 1996 at 03:40:44 (PST)

Daniel Quinn's Responses:

"...HOW we will make the changes."
These questions have been asked in many different ways. Please check the FAQ section for the various answers I've given.

"The most optimistic future I think would be to forestall catastrophy by colonization off earth."
Far from being optimistic, this is a totally impractical concept. Can you imagine the cost alone of building and sending a million ships into space---material and energy never to be recovered? Can you imagine how long it would take to build a million space ships? If each carried a thousand people, that would amount to only a billion people---and far more than a billion people would be born during the period in which the ships were being built and lost.

"Other than that, any other solution is bound to be a horror beyond imagining. I want to be B, but other than simply reading and rereading the books, how do I make the message my own? I need a teacher."
We all need teachers, and we all must BECOME teachers. Make it your business to teach others, then you'll become the teacher you need. You have some helpful texts (ISHMAEL and THE STORY OF B), which is more than I had when I started.


I love the ideas presented in Ishmael!!! I agree with everything he said!! I would encourage eveyone to read it!!!
Melissa Manning <mmanning@keller.clarke.edu>
dubuque, IA USA - Tuesday, November 19, 1996 at 06:59:23 (PST)
I totally LOVED Ishmael's insights and ideas. For literally months, I have been pondering and forming my new ideas about life, society, the environment and the world.
Brianna Schencke <bschenck@keller.clarke.edu>
Dubuque, IA USA - Tuesday, November 19, 1996 at 06:53:57 (PST)
I read Ishmael while I was studying abroad in Italy. The book opened my eyes to a new way of thinking about myself and the world around me. It was like a bright lightbulb being turned on in my mind, it was an exciting experience. Because of this experience I have had a continuing dialogue with Ray Benton a professor at Loyola University in Chicago which has been equally exciting. When I have children, this is what I will read them to sleep with. Thank You, Ben Cunningham
Ben Cunningham <bacunningham@stthomas.edu>
Minneapolis, MMmn USA - Monday, November 18, 1996 at 09:26:56 (PST)
We are juniors in an Advanced Placement English III class at Bolton High School in Alexandria, Lousiana. Our teacher, Nancy Monroe, is a great fan of ISHMAEL and made the book required reading in our class. As part of the learning process, we had to do an extensive project on ISHMAEL. The project prompted us to analyze the book critically, and explore the meanings and philosophies presented in the book. Thank you so much for showing us the error in our ways. Your book has truly impacted our lives, and I I know it will influence our decisions in the years to come.
Biba Nijjar and Catherine Robinson <retromax@linknet.net>
Alexandria, LA USA - Sunday, November 17, 1996 at 20:14:17 (PST)
Just testing...new colors...new sections for the Ishmael companion site...
Webmaster <at@ishmael.org>
Houston, tx USA - Sunday, November 17, 1996 at 11:47:35 (PST)
Is there a way out or are we all human's going to die?! how many peopel in your life just now are waiting for you to motivate them?
helen duhs <duhs@medium.se>
stockholm, Sweden - Sunday, November 17, 1996 at 07:10:40 (PST)

Daniel Quinn's Response:

Helen:
Ishmael points out that we're captives of a system that is compelling us to destroy the world. He compares this system to a prison. Is there a way out of the prison? Well, yes and no. There is no SINGLE way out of the prison. We must work together to find ways out wherever we are and with whatever resources we have. Everyone must do what he or she can do. I've made people aware of the nature of the prison---now others must take the lead in finding forgotten passages that lead to the outside and places to dig tunnels under the walls and places to scale the walls. In other words, this is not a one-man show here (with me being the one man). This is something that all must work at.


I am deeply moved by this book. I just finished reading it and have been discussing it as often as I can in the TBr chat room on aol. May I shake your hand, Daniel Quinn?
Judy Olszewski <Jao41@aol.com>
Plantation, Fl USA - Saturday, November 16, 1996 at 18:25:35 (PST)

Daniel Quinn's Response:

Judy:
Sure, consider it done---it's a pleasure meeting you!


My friend, Elizabeth, recommended ISHMAEL to me while we were browsing in a local bookstore. She told me that it was VERY good. I bought the book, and started reading it later that evening. At about 5 a.m., after reading through the entire night to finish the book, I realized how badly she had understated the power of ISHMAEL. I was deeply saddened by the part I and my ancestors have played in the ruin of this planet we call home. I wonder whether there is still time to save it from total destruct ion (I have since found sources that say there is not). I also wonder whether my species is strong enough to resist habit and make the drastic changes that are necessary to prevent further damage. Thank you Mr. Quinn for opening my eyes and my mind. Peace and Light, Jason Schaefer
Jason Schaefer <WaywrdSun@aol.com>
Kalamazoo, MI USA - Friday, November 15, 1996 at 23:28:29 (PST)
I would love to say this book has profoundly changed my life, but it hasn't. However, I think that's more a failing of my resolve than what the book has to say. I have probably read this book 1/2 a dozen times in the past year or so and I do so whene ver I feel my thinking has gotten really muddy about my relationship to the 'real' world and to my culture. I do suggest this book to everyone I think might care.
Chris Grevstad <chris@park.uvsc.edu>
American Fork, UT USA - Friday, November 15, 1996 at 11:21:24 (PST)
I just stumbled across this web-site & was immediately intrigued. Was wondering if there were any Ed Abbey fans out there who have read Ishmael. I have not yet read anything by Quinn, but was wondering if anyone who has read both authors might commen t on what would appear to be philosophical similarities between the two? It's just that I was amazed when reading some of these reader comments - some of them reflected exactly how I felt the 1st time I read Desert Solitaire. Any comments???
Mike Stuesse <mstuesse@mdc.com>
st.louis, mo USA - Friday, November 15, 1996 at 10:25:57 (PST)
I was saddened upon reading the Ishmael degrading comment made by a fellow schoolmate. I honestly feel that his statement was made under pressure of friends and was not truly heartfelt. Please forgive him, Mother Culture.
Amy Frazier <fraza6s0@numen.elon.edu>
Elon College, NC USA - Thursday, November 14, 1996 at 17:32:06 (PST)
I'm just writing to rebute the statement of Kelly Reimer. This book is communist propoganda and should be banned. Please prevent any educational institution from requiring this novel in its curriculum. Y. L. rules.
Cam Tims <timsw6c0@numen.elon.edu>
Elon College, NC USA - Thursday, November 14, 1996 at 17:25:22 (PST)
Ishmael brought together a lot of vague thoughts and ideas and inklings I have had. It was new!!!! It is inspiring, very inspiring.
cwagner@indiana.edu
Indiana, USA - Thursday, November 14, 1996 at 17:16:51 (PST)
The truth rings from every sentence. I do believe, though, that there is a grave misconception that humanity is the greatest danger to the planet. We cannot possibly 'destroy the world', but we are more than capable of destroying ourselves. The wor ld will survive. Can we change? I think not--not until we are willing to give up everything, and that isn't likely to happen. Our world is fueled by unchecked growth. How many of you who support Quinn's beliefs still expect a 10% return on your mutual funds? Nothing will change until we have absolute collapse of every population, every government and every religion. Survival of the species demands the slate be wiped clean and we start over.
Grant N. <grantn@cict.wic.ca>
Calgary, Canada - Thursday, November 14, 1996 at 12:33:51 (PST)
Awesome. Never will I look at the world the same again!!!!
Kelly Reimer <reimk6l0@numen.elon.edu>
Elon College, NC USA - Thursday, November 14, 1996 at 01:03:24 (PST)
Has anyone ever recorded a chimp or gorilla's response to a total eclipse of the sun? If you have one (or both) why not take a safari to Jerusalem late next March and record their reaction(s) to this rare event. Happy Passover, Mr. Bim Lars
Lars Goren <eclipse@bga.com>
Austin, USA - Wednesday, November 13, 1996 at 20:31:40 (PST)
The so called non-destructive aliens are trying once again to make a stand. The sad thing is, you are destructive and will continue to be until you leave this earth. Your very life is based upon destruction. Your main goal in life is death and decomposition. We were made in gods image, not belonging on earth, but heaven or hell. Have a great day!
Michael Blackman <mblackma@chapman.edu>
Orange, , CaC USA - Wednesday, November 13, 1996 at 13:58:28 (PST)
I liked it. It made me think.
George Walker
Severna Park, Md USA - Wednesday, November 13, 1996 at 12:43:36 (PST)
Ishmael is mesmerizing - it takes you above all the traditional disciplines and gives you a special simple (where have I been?) grounded way to see how it all comes together!
Pat Hinchey <phinchey@sonalysts.com>
Waterford, CT USA - Wednesday, November 13, 1996 at 08:41:08 (PST)
Was this by, like, a monkey or something? Yeah, it was ok, but I liked the Bridges of Madison County better. It would have been a better book, if the monkey had fallen in love.
Cookie Ylanggalang <STEWAJ32@vaxa.cis.uwosh.edu>
Oshkosh, Wi USA - Tuesday, November 12, 1996 at 21:11:41 (PST)
When I read Ishmael my life changed forever . I read it more that three months ago , and since that time I have been pleading with my teachers and closest friends to read it , but no one seems to have heard of it . When I happened upon this page just now I literaly wept for five minutes . Someone else is really out there who understands What a wonderful feeling this is to know after three or four months of wondering weather or not I was nuerotic . Knowledge is such a burden , even the smallest amount of true knowledge can feel like the wieght of the world on your shoulders if you can find no one who is willing to help carry it Sometimes I try to remember what it was like when I didn't care , I seem to remember it was easier to stand straight. Very,very ,very sincerly , Loren Huggins
Loren Huggins
Sedro Woolley , WA USA - Tuesday, November 12, 1996 at 16:32:03 (PST)

Loren, Please contact me with your email address...I have someone who would like to contact you..the Webmaster...


I'm looking forward to Mr. Quinn's discussion of The Story of B next month in Larkspur, California.
glenda gentry <ggentry@telis.org>
San Rafael, California, CA USA - Tuesday, November 12, 1996 at 13:09:24 (PST)
Am I missing something, or what?! Mr. Quinn, early in his book, states that the world was not made for man's existence. He is merely a part of its evolutionary history and that is all. Most Ishmael enthusiasts would agree with that, I presume. What can only follow that statement, though, is that there is nothing more to do than live a thoughtful and joyful existence in one's own conscience? There is no hope for man but that is OK, we are just an interesting dab of evolution. The same reasoning wh ich has established the "taker" subculture is the motivation Mr. Quinn is summoning to "save ourselves." Ishmael, in concept, is a great introduction to a more global evolutinary perspective, but, in terms of a premise, it is fraught with contradictions.
glenn <gflake@eznet.com>
USA - Tuesday, November 12, 1996 at 12:45:23 (PST)
I am enjoying the process of reading this book. It is good to see another author who knows what time it is. In this last decade of twentieth century A.D. there are scads of people looking for something, anything, to bail their asses out of the sorry mess they have created for themselves. I must admit that 'Ishmael' is a muuch better place to start breaki ng out of the downward spiral than, say, 'The Sell-estine Prophit$y.' At least I haven't seen any support groups operating under Ishmaelian principles. Perhaps we can circumvent all this apocalypse bullshit everyone seems to be waiting for.
Tony Scarfo <I.dont.needno.goddamn.email>
Petrograd, FL USA - Monday, November 11, 1996 at 22:56:51 (PST)
This is where life gets really weird... Four years ago, my friend Vanessa talked constantly about two things--sustainable agriculture and Ishmael. I really didn't understand either one of them and figured they were just two more examples of "the fringe" that I would never understand. Well, fo ur years later, here I am, devoting my life to sustainable agriculture. I'm married to a guy whom Vanessa annoyed because of her "extreme" environmentalism, and, let's just say he voted a different ticket than he did four years ago (and all 3 of us are f riends now.) We're looking forward to graduating from Iowa State University in May, leaving behind his family's 5,000 acre farm, and living a life in balance with our principles. As soon as this horrendous semester is over, buying Ishmael will be my fin als week gift to myself (and probably a Christmas gift to my in-laws.)
Sandy Trca-Black <strca@iastate.edu>
Ames, IA USA - Monday, November 11, 1996 at 17:16:26 (PST)
We are thinking about establishing a local "Ishmael Society." Do you have any suggestions or models from other places?
marvin i. lare <milare1@univsc.scm.sc.edu>
columbia, sc USA - Monday, November 11, 1996 at 12:03:53 (PST)
Class is using book as a backbone to ethical understanding. Not quite finished with the entire reading but am very excited and sitmulated by Ishmael (Quinn).
John Gartner <gartnejc@eckerd.edu>
St. Petersburg, FL USA - Sunday, November 10, 1996 at 23:47:04 (PST)
i think that ishmael is the most amazing book i have ever read...however, in the faq file you state, "which gender has the greater need to understand the consequences of our destructiveness?"..indicating that men do...i take much offense at this statem ent..as a mother i know that i am the one who is sending children out into this world...i am the one who has the more intimate knowledge of life and death... i feel that i have the same, and moreso the greater need to understand and i would like to know how others feel...
Roxanna Shinall <rrss@juno.com>
gainesville, fl USA - Sunday, November 10, 1996 at 23:34:37 (PST)
My previous email address was incorrect. In addition to my other comments, I think I will be recommending B even more than Ishmael. My only "problem" with it was that I wasn't sure whether I was supposed to read the lectures at the same time as the " novel" or after. I decided at the same time, but I wasn't sure if this was intended
Peter Croome <dm002@freenet.carleton.ca>
Canada - Sunday, November 10, 1996 at 10:10:16 (PST)

Webmaster's Note: The B-network at http://www.b-network.com is due to open on Monday evening, 11 November - look there to hook up with other readers...


I've read Ishmael twice since I bought it when it first came out in paperback. I still won't say that I understand it, but I've reccommended it to many people and try to sell as many copies of it as I can (I work in a bookstore). Providence made more sense to me and so far I am about 1/2 way through B and really feel like I am getting the point. My major problem with Ishmael was that I didn't know what I was supposed to do next. I feel like I'm starting to get an inkling. Thank you for the gifts M r. Quinn.
Peter Croome <dm002@ncf.carleton.ca>
Toronto/Keswick, On Canada - Sunday, November 10, 1996 at 09:55:27 (PST)
I just want to say that 'Ishmael' is probably the most powerful book I have ever read. The message is clear, concise, and evident in everything we do. I was literally brought to tears by the truth of his words. Thank you so much...I hope one day eve ryone will be able to understand what 'Ishmael' says to the world and its people.
John Harting <jharting@students.uiuc.edu>
Urbana, IL USA - Saturday, November 09, 1996 at 18:20:07 (PST)
Daniel Quinn has reawakened an innate knowing in me. Ishmael and the Story of B (which I think ought to be 'Be') explain much for me about the foundations of our thinking. If we could learn to be a part instead of the whole of this place, we might un derstand the fire in the grass.
Roger Grossklaus <mindful@ix.netcom.com>
Wayne, PA USA - Saturday, November 09, 1996 at 15:14:05 (PST)
"If you aren't living on the edge, you're taking up too much space". I always liked that slogan, but until I read "Ishmael" for the second time I had never seen the deeper wisdom. Living here in the rainforest of the Pacific Northwest Coast and surrounded by the art and artifacts of one of the great Leaver cultures of this continent can be both daunting and inspiring. How can I, with my limited resources and talents, save the world ? Or part of it? I don't know, but I am glad that I typed "Ishmael" into that search engine a while ago and found a place where others wonder the same things. Now we can talk to each other and try to invent something together.
John Spooner <spooner@ultranet.ca>
Vancouver, BC Canada - Friday, November 08, 1996 at 21:25:53 (PST)
Quinn is a messenger. After reading Ishmael several months ago, I, like many others who have posted comments here, began recommending the book to friends and family. Most of them have reacted as strongly as I did to the book. I believe the reason is that Ishmael speaks directly to a "truth" about human existence and purpose that has been hidden in most of us for the past 10,000 years. Quinn was "sent" to awaken these truths before it is too late. Before reading Ishmael, I read a lot about Native American spirituality, especially the beliefs of the Lakota. Like Ishmael, their legends speak of the need to return the the "Red Way" (or the "right" way to live). The time has come!
David Godfrey <stsl@cccturtle.org>
Gainesville, FL USA - Friday, November 08, 1996 at 21:15:17 (PST)
This book, to say the very least, helped me to confirm how I have always seen humankind's ignorance of where they should truly be in the world. I love this book and look forward to reading D.Q.'s newest.
Adam Van Den Boom <drlips@imsa.edu>
Aurora, IL USA - Friday, November 08, 1996 at 14:32:26 (PST)
It made me think about things from a different perspective. While I'm not sure I buy 100% of the ideas presented, I think they're valuable to think about. I have since purchased 12 copies and sent them to friends who will probably appreciate the read (this is a true story).
David Cheng <cheng@io.com>
New York, NY USA - Friday, November 08, 1996 at 14:12:20 (PST)
i still need to read the book
Steve <st3x@spri.net>
LA, CA USA - Friday, November 08, 1996 at 11:21:53 (PST)
I have become quite entranced with the progression of Ishmael's (and his student's) realizations about Taker-culture. Although I admit that I have only read the book through twice, I still find myself at no position to argue against it's logical progr ession. I am a philosophy student at Eckerd College in FL, and would be very interested to hear from any readers who have found a logical inequivalency in D. Quinn's extrapolation of what he calls "Taker" culture. As close as I have been able to come in argument is to exempt Buddhist culture from his list of "Taker" cultures. I am very interested, however, in hearing from any lovers of wisdom who have found _Ishmael_ to be lacking in any way as a philosophically sound school of thought. Otherwise, I o nly offer my thanks to Daniel Quinn for opening my eyes to an entirely different thought process than I have ever subjected myself to before, and I look forward to reading his new text with the same enthusiasm that I hold to and recommend _Ishmael_ to all other students of wisdom that seek to understand, and hopefully save, the world. -Richard Harris, aka -Shadowwalker; Cox Osceola Yammasee Seminole Indian reservation member.
Richard Harris; Shadowwalker; Cox Osceola Yammasee Seminole Reservation. <harrisrm@acasun.eckerd.edu>
St. Petersburg, FL USA - Thursday, November 07, 1996 at 22:43:39 (PST)
A sleeping giant in philisophical works.
Jon Cornick <joncornick@sprintmail.com>
Colorado Springs, CO USA - Thursday, November 07, 1996 at 19:15:08 (PST)
While I understand the intended meaning behind Ishmael's name, I believe the story could be equally well interpreted the other way. Instead of living in the hands of their god, Abraham and Sarah insisted on having more for themselves, taking a son from a servant when Sarah (they thought) could not provide one. Is this not the Taker lifestyle? From this point of view Ishmael represents the stolen resources that the Takers live on, and Isaac is the promised son who would have come, had they been a little more Leaver in their mindset. Just a thought.
Sarah Catherine Imrisek <sci@netcom.ca>
Toronto, ON Canada - Thursday, November 07, 1996 at 16:23:57 (PST)
Incredible.
Autumn Brown <autumnbrown@henry.wells.edu>
Aurora, NY USA - Thursday, November 07, 1996 at 15:56:51 (PST)
I read the book when it first came out and gave it to my chilren (in their 20s) to read immediately. It is the most compelling book I have read and I have read many. I listened to the book on tape and that was marvelous. This book is the best gift yo u could give anyone. When I recently got access to internet this was one of my priority sites to find. I just knew there had to be one. I will be here regularly.
Fran Johnson <johnsof@board.tec.wi.us>
Janesville, WI USA - Thursday, November 07, 1996 at 10:34:14 (PST)
This was the most life-altering book I have ever experienced. It amazes me that these sorts of thoughts could be projected so eloquently onto a page. I wish there was some way to make everyone see. But until then, I will have to settle for giving th is book out for Christmas...
Erika von Haaren
Seattle, WA USA - Wednesday, November 06, 1996 at 13:58:18 (PST)
With gorilla gone, will there be hope for man? I think that, after reading Ishmael, there may be. Let's do all we can to spread the word. Quinn has a unique way of tying in the Old Testament with Darwin's Theory of Evolution. Now, students can be c reationists and evolutionists at the same time. What confused them before is now tied together in a coherent fashion. I only wish that I could have been actually inside the story and have known Ishmael myself.
k. sinclair whitaker <whitakerj@dcds.edu>
eastpointe, mi USA - Wednesday, November 06, 1996 at 13:26:42 (PST)
DITTO to Kevin Flanigan's comments. I took about 4 weeks to read thru Ishamel so that the ideas could soak in. I'm glad to have been exposed to the ideas Ishmael teaches to his pupil and am anxious to read more about Ishmael amd his other pupil(s). The yellow type on a green background just doesn't work for me. There's too little contrast for reading. Please do something about it.
glynn garrett <glynn@oregontrail.net>
pendleton, or USA - Tuesday, November 05, 1996 at 23:27:45 (PST)
it was a book that totally changed the way that i look at the way i as a person, and us as members of this planet have used and almost destroyed this planet that we live on. i have a new respect for the environment as well as for the people that try an d live life in harmony with nature. i have talked to many people on the ideas of this great book and many of them have had similar experiences. i want to thank mr. quinn for this book and the other two books written by him.
larry swartz <phrekik@gwis.com>
berea, oh USA - Tuesday, November 05, 1996 at 19:08:34 (PST)
As thrilled as I was with Ishmael, and as much as I benefited from reading it, I think The Story of B surpasses it. (Disclosure time: I am Daniel Quinn's editor at Bantam and I did not work on Ishmael.) I think B gives us more of a prescriptive, proa ctive approach to ennacting the true story of human history. It may not be an approach we all feel comfortable following, however, admist the gobbleygook of political rhetoric in and out of the environmental debate, I think Daniel Quinn's vision, B's vis ion, is the most earnest, applicable approach yet delineated by a major figure. I hope all fans of Ishmael will come to listen to what B has to say. Ishmael, himself, would be proud, I believe.
Brian Tart <tartb@bdd.com>
New York City, NY USA - Monday, November 04, 1996 at 15:05:45 (PST)
Ishmael, what can I say except that it has given me so much hope. That there are others out there who are willing to save the world. I just read Story of B as well,which was an amazing follow up to all Quinn established in Ishmael.
Morgan Hill <mh005f@uhura.cc.rochester.edu>
Haworth, NJ USA - Monday, November 04, 1996 at 10:44:36 (PST)
Reading this book has changed my whole outlook on the world and the direction of my educational pursuits. Thank you Mr. Quinn. Also, if there is anyone reading this at UVA, or in the area, who loves this book as much as I do, please e-mail me so we can talk about it:)
Tierney A. O'Dea <tao3s@virginia.edu>
Charlottesville, VA USA - Sunday, November 03, 1996 at 21:38:20 (PST)
I think this site need renovations coz we cant see the html or the text u click to go to other locations within the site . can we soon see some improvements soon please
wesly comera
baltimore, ma USA - Sunday, November 03, 1996 at 13:27:23 (PST)
The book is delightful but made me wish for a more formal and more detailed exposition of the author's argument. Has Mr. Quinn written one?
Gordon Bear <gbear@ramapo.edu>
Ramsey, NJ USA - Friday, November 01, 1996 at 22:44:34 (PST)