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leslie mccormick    #16064
altamonte springs    fl USA     Posted: Friday, January 29, 2010 at 10:20:0 CST (GMT -6:00)

I love Daniel Quinn & the book's i have read of his.

Destry    #16062
Tampa    FL USA     Posted: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 at 23:24:0 CST (GMT -6:00)

Did you read Ishmael, and like it, and want to DO MORE, but not know how?

Have you read multiple Quinn works, and feel sort of LEFT HANGING?

Do you want to know how to change YOUR life?

Do you want some personalized advice from a dedicated Quinn-reader, who's been struggling with these issues for TEN YEARS?

Do you want to go BEYOND ISMAEL?

john kurmann,    #16061
Kansas City    MO USA     Posted: Monday, January 25, 2010 at 16:2:0 CST (GMT -6:00)

Hey, y'all. This story from today's All Things Considered on National Public Radio should provoke some interesting discussion.

"For Cave Women, Farmers Had Extra Sex Appeal"

Belle    #16060
   USA     Posted: Monday, January 25, 2010 at 11:4:0 CST (GMT -6:00)

I have been feeling confused and helpless about a lot of things for a while, and 'Ishmael' began to quench those feelings.
Repeatedly throughout the book, I wanted to punch the air and shout 'Yes! That's it!'
Thank you, Daniel Quinn, for beginning my real spiritual journey, and justifying my concern for the state of things.

Sara    #16059
Auckland    New Zealand     Posted: Saturday, January 23, 2010 at 2:11:0 CST (GMT -6:00)

All my life I have tried this and that, seeking to make sense of the world around me, but now, after two years of reading and re-reading Ishmael and B, and researching independently, I no longer feel confused, or overwhelmed, or hopeless about the future. Thank you, Mr Quinn, for writing your books. Thank you on behalf of my children, who are on this journey with me. Together, we are changing the way that we live and approach the world, and it is making us happier than I ever thought possible.

Thomas Hawk    #16058
Salem    OR USA     Posted: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 at 4:6:0 CST (GMT -6:00)

I was given this book by a friend. Its funny how certain books find you!

Sean Dana    #16054
   USA     Posted: Friday, January 15, 2010 at 0:42:0 CST (GMT -6:00)

Like most of you, Ishmael seriously changed a lot of things about the way I think. Since I was a child, I'd had a good hunch about the truths illustrated in Ishmael but the book tied them together for me. I don't really feel that Ishmael contradicts or dispels the Bible at all. The Bible is filled with examples of taker culture gone horribly awry ultimately ending with revelations and the culmination of taker culture's war on the rest of creation. I'm not a really religious person, but I've come to understand that the Bible warns of the same things Ishmael does. It may be viewed from a different perspective but the results are eerily similar. I think Jesus himself would support the ideas in Ishmael.

tristan    #16053
denver    co USA     Posted: Thursday, January 14, 2010 at 14:3:0 CST (GMT -6:00)

I'm trying, but can't find my vision. Was hoping some outside input could focus my own.

Sam    #16052
   USA     Posted: Wednesday, January 13, 2010 at 14:15:0 CST (GMT -6:00)

Thank you for your comments, Rachel. Bon Voyage, Sam

Rachel    #16050
Portland    OR USA     Posted: Monday, January 11, 2010 at 15:56:0 CST (GMT -6:00)

Sam, I was relieved to hear that I did not misunderstand the text. I realize that this story is not, by the author's intention, a work of Christian apologetics. That's why I started my final statement with "I feel..." It is clear the author disdains religion (based on many parts of the book, including his discussion of the point when the Takers leave the timeline and his discussion of man's "need" for prophets to tell him what to do). I think it ironic, therefore, that the ideas presented indirectly raise up the Christian God as separate and distinct from the other gods--as I outlined yesterday. I realize that this venue may not be the place for me to discuss these ideas (though appreciate your saying I am free to think what I want). I hope you know that God loves you, Sam, and He died for the Takers and the Leavers, who, by the way, do know who He is. With that, I wish you all the best in your quest for knowledge. I have found the Bible to be the best source of wisdom around.

Sincerely, Rachel

Sam    #16049
   USA     Posted: Monday, January 11, 2010 at 6:11:0 CST (GMT -6:00)

Hello Rachel- Your statement " I feel this book is a strong argument for the validity of scripture and for the idea of a young earth. " indicates that you do not understand ISHMAEL. The THINGS TO READ section of this website might interest you, specifically: ESSAYS, Our Religions: Are they the Religions of Humanity Itself? Best Regards, Sam

Rachel    #16048
Portland    or USA     Posted: Sunday, January 10, 2010 at 20:54:0 CST (GMT -6:00)

Dear Sam, Your note was a little cryptic. What fact did I not understand about Ishmael? I'd love a brief overview of my main areas of not understanding it (meaning, was it the message, the premises, the main characters, etc)

sincerely, Rachel

Sam    #16047
   USA     Posted: Sunday, January 10, 2010 at 19:15:0 CST (GMT -6:00)

Hello Rachel--you are welcome to voice your impressions of Daniel Quinn's work and to your own beliefs. With all due respect, you do not understand ISHMAEL. If you did, your comments about it would not have been what they were. Best, Samantha

Rachel Burns    #16046
Portland    OR USA     Posted: Sunday, January 10, 2010 at 16:2:0 CST (GMT -6:00)

It takes a major suspense of belief to take seriously "advice" given by a gorilla. That said, I am happy to report that the three "tricks of the gods" as listed on p.103 are actually not true as pertains to the God of the Bible. 1. The world does not have to be in the "center of the universe" for our lives to matter to God. He created everything and the earth just happens to be the planet He placed in exactly the right location in the cosmos to sustain life as we know it. He may have created other beings on other planets in other galaxies, but as far as we know, there is no life on any other planet in the Milky Way. 2. God did indeed create man in a "separate, special act of creation." We are the only species created "in the image of God" and as such, we are the only species capable of imagining and making moral choices. We are not bound by instinct alone, which separates us and is also a huge responsibility. We have not done our job where our moral responsibility is concerned, but that is also a strong argument for the problem of "sin," which Mr. Quinn never touches. 3. I presume we are, indeed, under the "laws of nature," but again this is not a cause for dismay or anger as we see ourselves in light of the way God sees us: the loved creation for whom God Himself was willing to die. I feel this book is a strong argument for the validity of scripture and for the idea of a young earth. It has been an interesting read. Quite a fanciful tale, but an interesting read.

destry    #16045
New Orleans    LA USA     Posted: Friday, January 8, 2010 at 17:31:0 CST (GMT -6:00)

This is for readers who are interested in handling their PERSONAL lives now that they've begun to handle their WORLDVIEW.

Ishmael is a systems approach to dealing with systemmic problems.

And there is a man whose work i've recently discovered who happens to take a systems approach to the handling of one's PERSONAL problems.

I've read Quinn for years, and he's helped me find my purpose to SOCIETY. And for that i offer my deepest gratitude.

Below is the name of a man who's work has helped me begin to find my purpose to MYSELF.

The man is David Deangelo.

Look closely.


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