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Sundiver    #16407
muenster    nrw germany     Posted: Friday, April 4, 2014 at 4:5:0 CST (GMT -6:00)

thx mr quinn for writing ishmael, i ended it today. ill start teaching and telling people around me about your ideas in which i believe strongly. unfortunattely in germany your books my ishmael(was printed once in the 90ies and is nowhere to get in my language, the editors say they wont publish it again) and the story of b, which was never translated in german, are hard to get for me. nevertheless your ideas opended my mind and i will tell as many friends and people about your book as i can thx

Moose    #16403
Portland    OR USA     Posted: Thursday, February 27, 2014 at 11:26:0 CST (GMT -6:00)

Several weeks ago I posted here about a man who had a plan to put sustainable organic local food within reach of every family in Hawaii. I posted here because the man told me that he had ABANDONED THOSE PLANS AS A RESULT OF READING ISHMAEL.

This obviously represented a gross misunderstanding of Quinn's message, and Daniel himself was deeply concerned.

Well, I'm happy to report that this man is back on his feet and running. He seems doubly committed to founding the KINDS of agricultures Hawaiins can thrive on indefinitely. In his clarion call to rally his friends back to the project his last words were:

"I'm writing this because I do want each and everyone to share that connection with their food and the aina. I believe in community, it's created sustainable food systems in every indigenous and native society. If we are going to create sustainability we need to create community. Please join me us in our quest to create a blueprint and a model of a sustainable food system in Hawaii."

This makes me proud -- not of any one person, but of all of us, and of the process.

Ana Raquel Ribeiro    #16402
London    United Kingdom     Posted: Wednesday, February 26, 2014 at 4:19:0 CST (GMT -6:00)

Dear Daniel Quinn,

I have just finished reading your book Ishmael this morning.

I just had to congratulate you on the amazing literature work that you have produced.

I consider myself to be one of those people that struggle to understand today's society and to be fully happy knowing how much wrong doing is going on today.

I have never felt that men were the superior beings of this world as it is portrayed by many. I feel a connection with all living beings and Ishmael has helped to structure and further explain a lot of my already existing beliefs. That we're are all connected and have an active and important role in this world.

Thank you so much again for writing Ishmael and I am looking forward to reading your other works.

I shall recommend your book to others and hope that they too appreciate it as much as I do.

Kindest regards,

Ana Raquel Ribeiro

Sam    #16400
   USA     Posted: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 at 6:52:0 CST (GMT -6:00)

Daniel Quinn's reply to the previous post: I was profoundly distressed to hear that Ishmael led "this man" to give up his plan to bring an organic farm to every community in Hawaii. In the next book in the series, The Story of B, I coined a useful term to describe our form of agriculture: Totalitarian Agriculture. But agriculture itself is not the world-devouring and unsustainable agriculture the people of our culture practice. Unlike Jared Diamond, who in Guns, Germs, and Steel, condemned agriculture itself, I've never done so, pointing out that, at base, it is nothing more than fostering the regrowth of foods we favor -- and Leaver peoples all over the world do that.

Moose    #16399
   USA     Posted: Monday, January 27, 2014 at 18:21:0 CST (GMT -6:00)

A typical comment from a reader:

"Ismael was a mind mess. It proved to me several things including that we will never ever save the planet and that we are all screwed. We can never go backwards without a major world war 3 catastrophe nuclear war forcing us out of an industrialized civilization."

We have come a long way. This man, however, told me that he has abandoned his plan for bringing an organic farm to every community in Hawaii because he read Ishmael. This and his statement above are obviously not in line with Mr. Quinn's intentions. But they ARE the results. Are as such they are not unique.

We have a long ways yet to go. Mr. Quinn's work -- no matter how much respect we have for it -- must be CONTINUED. We cannot allow the buck to stop here. If we wish to congratulate ourselves on a job-well-done, writing in to say that we understood the message is not enough. I'm not being negative. This is realism.

Most people misunderstand Quinn. The man above is an intelligent, passionate man, and he is NOT exceptional. He is the exact kind of person we want on our side, those of us who think we truly understand.

If there are any of us who actually "get it;" if there are any of us who are truly, realistically "B;" if there are "message bearers" among us;

And if we wish this thing to continue....

We need it to evolve.

Get in touch with me if you're ready to help create what's next.

It is time to admit that Mr. Quinn's immediate effect has been had. Either we twiddle our thumbs and accept it, or we supercede it.


Matthew Koehler    #16398
Guelph    Ontario Canada     Posted: Friday, January 17, 2014 at 23:22:0 CST (GMT -6:00)

After reading this book I will add this to my prayers. That we as humanity are able to be an example for the planet on what progress is truly supposed to be. That we are the first without being the last. I have faith.

Chad Long    #16395
Kansas city    mo USA     Posted: Monday, January 13, 2014 at 9:21:0 CST (GMT -6:00)

Ishmael has truly changed my world and I hope with all that I am all who find him benefit half as much

Julianna Lucas    #16394
Reno    NV USA     Posted: Saturday, January 11, 2014 at 3:51:0 CST (GMT -6:00)

I just finished Ishmael and it was certainly the most eye opening, interesting book I have ever read.

Scott Grimmwise    #16393
Lincoln    NE USA     Posted: Monday, December 9, 2013 at 13:33:0 CST (GMT -6:00)

Recently my partner, two small dogs and I found ourselves in need of a new home, in a hurry. We needed really low rent and a place with hard flooring for the dogs. After a lot of searching, I finally found a place that seemed to fit the bill. When I showed up for the viewing, a hulking, purple gorilla statue confronted me at the parking lot entrance! I introduced myself and a familiar voice in my head grunted with approval.


Howard Crise    #16392
N Newton    KS USA     Posted: Thursday, December 5, 2013 at 7:6:0 CST (GMT -6:00)

The growing number in "the choir"—those of us who know there is a law of finite resources—doesn't matter unless the Taker movers and shakers acknowledge the law and change course.

Craig Hardgrove,    #16391
Phoenix    AZ USA     Posted: Wednesday, December 4, 2013 at 23:35:0 CST (GMT -6:00)

The teachings of Ishmael have changed my life. I've had a lot of trouble coming to grips with both Ishmael and my career as a planetary scientist. So I chose to make a podcast about it.

Ghosts and Echoes

Lee    #16388
Boston    MA USA     Posted: Monday, September 30, 2013 at 1:11:0 CST (GMT -6:00)

The optimistic in me sees people yearning for more of a "leaver" lifestyle. The fact that people are becoming aware of the imbalance of wealth and power are leading them to be uneasy and uncontent with our present culture. The ideas presented in Ishmael could calm those minds and lead some of the helpless wanderers to answers and ideas they are yearning to discover. I feel privileged to have been given this book by a friend who I now see is a better friend than I gave him credit for. Please share this book as I will.

lAKELAND    FL USA     Posted: Sunday, September 15, 2013 at 10:15:0 CST (GMT -6:00)

Dear Mr. Quinn, Your works will stand their ground in time. I repect your great efforts trying to understand the tribe. So little of that is left. Tribe of under five hundred people or so that still opperated as a family unt. A brutal world but in far more harmony with nature. I just think that you have done alot for alot of people. You make a peice of the tapestry I think.


John Fish Kurmann,    #16386
Kansas City    MO USA     Posted: Sunday, September 15, 2013 at 8:54:0 CST (GMT -6:00)

Hi, folks.

With DQ's permission, Lance Pierce and I have produced a booklet PDF version of one of his speeches, "Our Secret Plan" (originally titled "On Investments"). If you haven't already read it, you can go to the "Things to Read" section and click on "Essays and speeches" to do so. We also offer a PDF of a trifold flier I wrote called "Tunnel Vision: How We're Thinking Ourselves and Our Children to Death" which explains some of DQ's most important ideas. I sent it to DQ years ago and he told me I could distribute it with his blessing and use one of his drawings of Ishmael on the cover.

I and other KC area Bs have been distributing various versions of DQ's works in the Kansas City area for several years now. What this means is that we leave them at libraries, coffeehouses, bookstores, and the like for people to pick up, not that we stand on street corners passing them out. I'm not saying that such an approach would be "wrong," but I think it's best to let people come to these ideas on their own, when they're ready. If you'd like to be able to distribute them in your own area, send me an email (willowjohn at and I'll email you the PDFs.

In addition to the pamphlet masters, I also have a few other things you might find of interest:

- A 1992 story about DQ from a publication called Inquirer (e-mail copy);

- A 1997 interview with DQ from The Sun magazine (e-mail copy);

- A 1999 article about DQ from Texas Monthly magazine (e-mail copy);

- "Beyond Civilization," an interview with DQ that originally appeared in the magazine Common Ground (HTML attachment);

- "The Holy," an interview with Daniel Quinn published in the November 2002 issue of The Spook magazine (PDF attachment);

- MSWord Files delineating the revisions made to Ishmael, The Story of B, and My Ishmael when they were released in later editions;

- An essay by Ronald Wright (author of Stolen Continents) called "Civilization is a pyramid scheme" (HTML attachment);

Let me know if you would like any or all of the above items. I hope to hear from some of you soon.

And here are some other resources on the web that I've found quite valuable:

-"The Worst Mistake in the History of the Human Race," an essay by Jared Diamohttp (author of Guns, Germs and Steel: The Fates of Human Societies)

-"Places to Intervene in a System," an essay by Donella Meadows which offers an introduction to systems thinking, the discipline that Quinn seeks to apply through his books

-"Dancing with Systems," another essay by Donella Meadows

-"The Lost People," an essay by Thom Hartmann (author of The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight)

Amber Nafziger    #16383
Lincoln City    OR USA     Posted: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 at 18:59:0 CST (GMT -6:00)

Thank you, Mr. Quinn. I too am B, because your message has changed me, and I cannot be put back to what I was. Though the Bible says "with much wisdom comes much sorrow" (along the lines of saying "ignorance is bliss") I would not trade my new knowledge for the naiveté of my past. I do not wish to think how I did before, and I enjoy sharing your books and wisdom with others. Perhaps one that I reach through your work will reach millions more. Again, and always, Thank You.

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