The Ishmael Guestbook Archives: 26 September - 17 October 1997


I picked up "Ishmael" to read on the plane on my recent trip to the UK and Germany. I had no idea it would have such a dramatic impact on me. I was happy to see that there was a website address for people of like minds, regarding our egotistical and abominable treatment of the planet. I would like to meet some of you, as we need to stay in touch and grow as a group, so that we can make a difference!
C'esca Lawrence <Snowcat711@aol.com>
Marina del Rey, CA USA - Friday, October 17, 1997 at 23:01:02 (PDT)
"Ishmael" and then "The Story of B" have each articulated in a new way many thoughts that I have been thinking for years (but didn't have the language). I am now absolutely committed to REMEMBERING and to helping others to remember. b
Barry Owen <barryo@bellsouth.net>
nashville, tn USA - Thursday, October 16, 1997 at 14:34:42 (PDT)
What I wouldn't due for a teacher like Ishmael. Very good STORY. Where does one go to from here? I would like to hear from other readers. I'm convenced that changes have been made in the US, but the problems with the society have just moved to other countries. I fear for the future!
Michael E. Carroll <apu0131@corecom.net>
Anchorage, AK USA - Tuesday, October 14, 1997 at 20:59:01 (PDT)
i am 18 years old. in my position i feel there is not much i can do to "save the world" i look forward to the future when i am better educated and when i am old enough to get the respect that i deserve.
i get worried though when i see my friends going through life forgetting what is important. they spend so much energy on getting a job and "surviving" in this country. i am even more distressed when i talk to adults who treat me like i am a crazy teenager, "i thought i could save the world once too." what happens i want to know- what happens that tells people that it is not in their hands. the only answer i can find is "life, life happens to you" i don't but it. so i try to surround myself with people who are motivated but they are sometimes hard to find.
i have visions of how we could live, what our world could be like but i have no idea where to start. i read books about oppression in our societies, about all of the emotion problems that contaminate our minds and i feel so overwhelmed.
anyway, it feels good to say all of that even though i'm not to sure who if anyone will read this.


michelle wruck <mw111@hotmail.com>
granger, in USA - Tuesday, October 14, 1997 at 20:16:17 (PDT)
The technique used in Ishmael enabled me to get out of my own way so I could learn.
Fred R. Scheurer, Jr. <scheurer@comcat.com>
Doylestown, pa USA - Tuesday, October 14, 1997 at 18:54:52 (PDT)
Ishmael is one of the most interesting and logical books I've read in years. Every point brought forth in the book made so much sense. I was extremely impressed with this book and I would recommend it to anyone who has "an earnest desire to save the world." My favorite phrase from the book would have to be the very last line..."With gorilla gone, will there be hope for man?"
Emily Hagemeister <capella@innocent.com>
Argusville, ND USA - Tuesday, October 14, 1997 at 18:22:07 (PDT)
Ishmael is one of the most interesting and logical books I've read in years. Every point brought forth in the book made so much sense. I was extremely impressed with this book and I would recommend it to anyone who has "an earnest desire to save the world." My favorite phrase from the book would have to be the very last line..."With gorilla gone, will there be hope for man?"
Emily Hagemeister <capella@innocent.com>
Argusville, ND USA - Tuesday, October 14, 1997 at 18:20:16 (PDT)
i appreciate ishmael's logic--yet i remain confused and afraid. why do i have to be a taker? is there anyway that i can ever revert back to the life my ancestors led? daily i come closer to abandoning Christianinty, yet my fear (specifically of death) keeps me holding fast to the last reminant of my (once steadfast) faith. where is the answer?
katie smith <bobatie@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu>
austin, tx USA - Monday, October 13, 1997 at 19:44:53 (PDT)

#5 Made Public!

I have just opened the door to the NEXT excerpt from My Ishmael!

As I have alerted you already...on successive Mondays, the Ishmael/Bnetwork websites will be sharing seven never-before seen writings of Daniel Quinn -- excerpts from the November 11 release date novel by DQ published by Bantam Books called, My Ishmael.

  • "Wealth Taker Style" -- made public 6pm (CDT) 13

    Webmaster <webmaster@ishmael.org>
    Houston, TX USA - Monday, October 13, 1997 at 16:53:29 (PDT)
    Dear Readers,

    I really enjoyed this book because it has changed me as a person (you can ask my friends). This is a mind expanding book that everyone must read and I'm sure that alot of people will have different opinions about it. If this book does not change your religion it will sure make you think twice about what mother culture has wispered in your ear all of your life. I for one feel that the world could use a good dose of Ishmael and it would change yet I also have my doubts to. Anyone out there who would like to discuss this matter any further please contact me at my e-mail address. I have a need to talk to someone and get their opinions about it.

    Jason Baker

    Jason Leith Baker <leith@mounet.com>
    Va USA - Sunday, October 12, 1997 at 20:44:52 (PDT)
    Well Marv's idea ain't so crazy. Had to read Ishmael for a Law School Class. Interestingly, the Pennsylvania State Constitution has an article that requires that the Government protect and preserve the ecology of that state. Certainly other states have a similar provision, perhaps VA, NY etc...
    I think at this point there may be enough evidence to sue under the state constitution and require the gov, large business, and the population to conform with the intent of the article.

    At any rate, it would certainly provide a good platform to spread the word that we aren't all that in control. Peace


    C. Kenny <Kenny1484@aol.com>
    Pittsburgh, PA USA - Sunday, October 12, 1997 at 19:51:06 (PDT)
    It is a rare occasion indeed when a work of literature comes along and in one felt swoop shatters the illusions of life on so many different levels. Ishmael is that book.
    Adam Hoffman <ahoffman@bates.edu>
    Lewiston, ME USA - Sunday, October 12, 1997 at 17:51:26 (PDT)
    I read Daniel's books last year and found that the principles have stayed with me.Being a child of the 60's, I have always been trying to define what it is that we have done to ourselves to live in such a moraly, valueless state of existence. Daniel's book defined these dilema's to the very core. We have blindly been led to believe we are existing in the most advanced society. We have constant reinforcement in almost all points of media information. This has been reinforced in my latest reading on the way our "beloved" National Geographic gives us constant reassurance which promotes the illusion of us and them when refering to other cultures and what we come to believe of them as a reality. (Comfortable Strangers: The Making of National Identity in Popular Photography, by Catherine Lutz and Jane Collins)Think for yourself, who are the people who are the "savages," those who use technology to advance their comfort at the expense of all living matter, or those who use what they need and no more for their survival. A balance with nature much needed for the survival of all existing on this planet,an imperative which we have disregarded for too long.

    Write me with your input on this thought:
    alea@prostar.com

    Janis Weeck <alea@prostar.com>
    Redmond, WWW USA - Sunday, October 12, 1997 at 10:33:58 (PDT)
    Just another thought...if anyone is questioning whether humans are 'truly the end of evolution', consider this...AIDS, Ebola, and any number of other viruses are so well suited to their task that they have completely stumped human researchers. Even when we think we have them beat, viruses and bacteria can easily 'evolve' through mutations (remember that the generation time of bacteria and viruses allows them to choose the fittest for survival very quickly), making human 'cures' obsolete.
    Another novel that may interest some visitors to this site is "Full House" by Stephen Jay Gould.

    Greg Henkelman <glh@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca>
    Edmonton, AB Canada - Saturday, October 11, 1997 at 13:00:29 (PDT)
    An excellent read. Ishmael's clarity when describing the world's problems was amazing. I particularly enjoyed the Taker Thunderbolt analogy...let's hope that people the world over will start to 'look down' and realize where we are heading...
    Greg Henkelman <glh@gpu.srv.ualberta.ca>
    Edmonton, AB Canada - Saturday, October 11, 1997 at 12:49:29 (PDT)
    I'm just snooping around.
    Mira Verunica <mira-v@usa.net>
    Opatija, CRO - Saturday, October 11, 1997 at 04:49:24 (PDT)
    We read this book as a project for World Studies. It prompted alot of very interesting discusion in our class.

    Although we didn't quite agree with everything he had to say, we must admit that Daniel Quinn was very insightful though not quite witty. Still, we give Ishmael two thumbs up, a book for the ages.

    Write us.

    Mandy Cass and Kim Lewis <staylor@acadia.net / klewis @mdihs.k12.u98.me.us>
    Bar Harbor, ME USA - Friday, October 10, 1997 at 13:02:49 (PDT)
    These two novels were without a doubt the most thought provoking books I have ever read. The ideas contained within them seem so simple I am astounded no one has pointed them out before. I am aslo ashamed of our society for what we have done to the earth we inhabit, but how do we go about changing? It would require learning to live without things we have become accustomed to seeing and using every day.
    I anxiously await Mr. Quinn's next novel and am assured that it will be as brilliant as the others.

    Christina Danford <CRISTYPOPS@aol.com>
    Maumee, Ohio USA - Friday, October 10, 1997 at 11:13:13 (PDT)
    A friend of mine and I are creating a club called FRIENDS OF ISHMAEL (not original, but it suffices) in our high school. It is an official club, complete with ASB recognition. We hope to first introduce B's ideas to the new members, then discuss in groups current issues. We are using this method to reach our 'hundred others.'
    Phill Innuso <on friend's computer, sorry>
    Ramona, CA USA - Thursday, October 09, 1997 at 15:02:29 (PDT)
    Was looking J. Michael Quinn and stumbled here.Read interesting blurb about Luddite agric.Camp follower plants "domesticated" humans in many respects -- i.e. found conditions around human encampments, disturbed soil,more hospitable. Humanism paradigm still militates against equality with plants and animals -- ruling res since Descartes regime,mechanized scientized worldview... binary that pits humans against nature. Critique of Hegel by Derrida, of
    Platonism by Deleuze and Foucault is important here.

    postosty <postosty@concentric.net>
    Eugene, OR USA - Thursday, October 09, 1997 at 10:21:42 (PDT)
    Doh.....Yeah, Marv, it does sound like a silly idea--at first reading. After reading it again, it doesn't sound so dumb. After a third read--it's brilliant.

    Surely there must be some B-attorneys (if that's not an oxymoron) who would love to take our case. If nothing else, it would really bring this movement and it's world-view to light, instead of just crawling around underground on this web or limping along hand-to-hand.

    You've got to post your idea to the B-network. I know of a few lists whose members would love to grin the way I did when I read your post. I'm sure others here do as well. Well?

    Robert B-}

    Robert Dery <RGDery@mail.telis.org>
    San Diego, CA USA - Thursday, October 09, 1997 at 00:53:20 (PDT)
    I am glad people are writing in and expressing their (mostly positive) views. But as we know the general public will not take action alone. If we are going to "Save the World" we must act together. Please send to the organization in the back of the book. It is a small step, but a neccasary one, if we want to do something about the end of "civilization".
    Kevin Ryan Martin McNally <Mcnally@uwplatt.edu>
    Platteville, WI USA - Wednesday, October 08, 1997 at 15:28:54 (PDT)
    Hey!, lets start a class action law suit to sue civilization for denying us our inalienble
    right to hunt and gather. As silly as it might sound, there are some basic truths to it.

    Marv Blackman <frethnkr@inform.com>
    Diamond Springs, ca USA - Tuesday, October 07, 1997 at 13:03:41 (PDT)

    #4 Made Public!

    I have just opened the door to the NEXT excerpt from My Ishmael!

    As I have alerted you already...on successive Mondays, the Ishmael/Bnetwork websites will be sharing seven never-before seen writings of Daniel Quinn -- excerpts from the November 11 release date novel by DQ published by Bantam Books called, My Ishmael.

  • The Parable Examined -- MADE PUBLIC! 9pm (CDT) 6 Oct 1997

    As I have said before...there's always something going on here, so keep coming back to the Bnetwork and Ishmael websites!

    Alan Thornhill <webmaster@ishmael.org>
    Houston, TX USA - Monday, October 06, 1997 at 20:45:57 (PDT)
    Ishmael is one of the best books I have ever read. Ishmael is one of the few books that you have a chance to read in your life that really changes you. Ishmael makes you think and hopefully change your bad actions.
    John Sternfeld <John -Sternfeld@uiowa.edu>
    Iowa City, IA USA - Sunday, October 05, 1997 at 15:39:53 (PDT)
    Je viens de lire Ishmael, deux fois à un mois d'intervalle, afin d'être sûr de bien comprendre à la fois le contenu de son enseignement, l'articulation des idées et la progression pédagogique. La plupart des idées véhiculées par ce roman me sont familières, ce sont pour ainsi dire des évidences pour qui a vraiment réfléchi sur l'orientation du monde que lui a donnée notre civilisation. Mais je suis admiratif car l'auteur nous donne une véritable leçon de didactique (la manière dont le professeur Ishmael mène son élève à organiser et formuler sa réflexion est remarquable); et surtout il parvient à mettre en évidence que le centre du problème de l'évolution humaine est d'ordre RELIGIEUX (au sens large du terme). Pour moi, c'est ici qu'a été la révélation, la clé qui m'a permis d'organiser toutes les conclusions de ma réflexion personnelle (très avancée je crois...) en un tout cohérent. La destinée de l'homme, celle qu'il se choisit, est donc finalement entièrement la conséquence de l'idée qu'il se fait de la divinité. C'est une grande leçon. J'aimerai connaître celle qui en découle: jusqu'où Daniel Quinn a-t-il poussé sa réflexion dans sa propre conception du divin, et l'évolution du monde (et non de l'homme, qui n'est qu'une espèce transitoire) qui en serait la conséquence? J'ai moi même une conception du divin, qui n'a rien à voir avec celle des religions classiques. Ma prochaine tâche sera d'essayer d'en imaginer les conséquences. Chapeau donc, M. Quinn, pour votre magistrale leçon de réflexion. Je me permet cependant de vous dire que je n'ai pas apprécié l'emballage de la leçon: le professeur gorille, les péripéties de sa captivité, sa mort... Tout ceci me parait infantile et hors de propos. Peut-être l'avez vous estimé nécessaire pour que l'ouvrage soit plus digeste pour le grand public, ou pour une autre raison qui m'échapperait; mais je trouve que cela affaiblit l'histoire et nuit à sa portée universelle. Cette oeuvre a pourtant une vocation planétaire, au sens strict du terme. A lire donc de toute urgence, en espérant qu'elle aura une audience suffisante pour fédérer les remous épars de la contre-révolution.
    Pierre Bouchard <Pierre.Bouchard@ac-grenoble.fr>
    Grenoble, France - Sunday, October 05, 1997 at 03:59:31 (PDT)
    I HAVEN'T SEEN THE BOOK , HADN'T EVEN HEARD OF IT PRIOR TO FINDING THIS SITE LAST EVENING. I ASKED SEVERAL PEOPLE TODAY IF THEY WERE AWARE OF THE BOOK OR OF DANIEL QUINN AND SO FAR HAVEN'T FOUND ANYONE.
    SO I GUESS THAT GIVES ME A MISSION TO FIND THE BOOK AND IF IT HAS THE MERIT, IN MY OPINION, THAT OTHERS HAVE ASCRIBED TO IT I WILL HAVE TO DO AS THE PERSON IN BOMBAY AND ATTEMPT TO GET OTHERS TO READ IT.
    IT'S NOT AN ENCOURAGING PROSPECT AS I TRIED FOR YEARS TO GET JUST ONE PERSON TO READ FRANCES MOORE'S "DIET FOR A SMALL PLANET".
    PROGRESS REPORT TO FOLLOW.

    JAMES AMMONS <JJAMMONS@MSN.COM>
    GRAND PRAIRIE, TX USA - Friday, October 03, 1997 at 21:36:14 (PDT)
    I am a high school student who was required to read Ishmael in my philosophy class. I had never heard of it prior to my assignment, but as I started, and it mentioned Herman Hesse (who, by the way, wrote a book called Demain, which is sort of along the lines of Ishmael. A must read for all contemplaters), and I knew I was in for a treat. I was quite right. Being a member of the "new" generation, I think many my age are in dire search for a better way to live. Ishmael has helped to set me in the right direction in regards to this. I am very grateful for Daniel Quinn, a man who ponders the mythos and teaches us how we can do the same.
    jon pitt <pitt@roadrunner.com>
    Los Alamos, NM USA - Friday, October 03, 1997 at 15:49:10 (PDT)
    For the past several months I have been preoccupied with my role in this society: a cog in the machine of consumer culture. But thoughts like those were as far as I got. I didn't know WHY things are the eay they are. Then I read two books which gave my thoughts some structure. One was Food of the Gods by Terrence Mckenna, and the other was Ishmael. I still don't know what to do about our society, but at least we know "where the bars of the prison are", and can try to come up with an escape plan, before the inevitable die-off.
    Eric Greenberg <egreen420@aol.com>
    Mt. Pleasant, SC USA - Friday, October 03, 1997 at 09:22:46 (PDT)
    Whoa! Mr Quinn can say whatever about what others made of His message but Jesus did not preach a Taker philosophy. And He was by no means inarticulate. There is powerful truth in Quinn's writing but I plead for a bit of skepticism. We have a long way to go with these ideas if we are to change the vision.
    Ron Langworthy <ron.cla@ainop.com>
    Houlton, me USA - Friday, October 03, 1997 at 05:54:38 (PDT)
    Ishmael, I was afraid you were gone.
    Jean Thesman <ThesmanJ@aol.com>
    USA - Thursday, October 02, 1997 at 09:59:13 (PDT)
    WE can save this world,just doit!
    Kenneth R Yohe 2nd <KRyohe@aol.com>
    manassas, va USA - Thursday, October 02, 1997 at 09:42:57 (PDT)
    Thought-provoking! I am most interested in the theological implications vis a vis the creation, God's purpose and intent. Comments welcome...
    Marshall Tribble <mtribble@carol.net>
    Anderson, SC USA - Wednesday, October 01, 1997 at 14:29:01 (PDT)
    In response to someone's comment concerning an individual's role among the entire human species (how "insignificant" an "individual" is):

    Picture the world like a computer keyboard, only much larger. Anyhow, each person functions a purpose, much like the individual keys do. To imagine oneself incapable of affecting the rest of the keys is, in the short run, feasible, but as time rolls on the need for that key (your key) will come. Make sure you're there when that time comes, prepared and alert.

    Luong Q. Nguyen <lqn@hotmail.com>
    Stockton, CA USA - Wednesday, October 01, 1997 at 13:41:05 (PDT)
    In response to someone's comment concerning an individual's role among the entire human species (how "insignificant" an "individual" is):

    Picture the world like a computer keyboard, only much larger. Anyhow, each person functions a purpose, much like the individual keys do. To imagine oneself incapable of affecting the rest of the keys is, in the short run, feasible, but as time rolls on the need for that key (your key) will come. Make sure you're there when that time comes, prepared and alert.

    Luong Q. Nguyen <lqn@hotmail.com>
    Stockton, CA USA - Wednesday, October 01, 1997 at 13:39:18 (PDT)
    This book made me think very deeply about my role on the planet.
    I was moved by this book and I think it shoudl be required
    reading for everyone in the world.

    Andrew Clouse <AndresC@Juno.com>
    Goshen, IN USA - Tuesday, September 30, 1997 at 20:33:05 (PDT)
    I don't have e-mail. This is a friend's service and I don't want to burden him with messages HE doesn't want. I do think that it is important to get Ishmael's message out, so that is why I have signed the Guest Book. I bear no ill intentions, I just want to be a supporter. You shouldn't be so cocky and exclusive, with all do respect, MR. WEBMASTER. Thank you.
    Dean Labossiere
    amherst, ma USA - Tuesday, September 30, 1997 at 20:19:02 (PDT)
    "So however hard man might labor to turn the world into a paradise, he's probably just going to go on screwing it up." p.89, Ishmael.
    Man here is the collective, and I am but a singular soul, but what a shame to live one's life thinking the collective is more important than the soul. What is the purpose of tomorrow if nothing we do or say can make a difference. Mandeka Gandhi says, "Wherever you are you must make a difference. That's all one can do." How true. We must all change the scale of our focus. If one man tries to change the world, there is no hope, but if millions of people recognize the need to change the world and focus on just a small thing that will make the world better, we are on the way. We are remiss if we expect to see results overnight. If we are lucky, our kids and grandkids will enjoy the fruits of our generation of persistent hope.

    Brian Higgins <higginsb@mail.megatrondata.com>
    Conway, MA USA - Tuesday, September 30, 1997 at 19:58:16 (PDT)
    I really enjoyed this book. I am interested in how to begin living like the leaver in me.
    Other books which challenge "accepted thought": Herland by Charlotte Perkins Gilman
    Ecotopia
    The Dilbert Future (last part)
    Any other books along these lines?
    Thanks for expanding our thinking.

    David Clark <daclark@psci.net>
    Jasper, IN USA - Tuesday, September 30, 1997 at 18:48:12 (PDT)
    Just finished Ishmael last night - WOW! I will try to do my bit by passing the message on. THis book is a real gift to us Takers - if we can just see it as such!
    Marge Hanna <mdaffodil@aol.com>
    Quakertown, Pa USA - Tuesday, September 30, 1997 at 15:55:22 (PDT)
    My dad, who curiously, isn't much of a reader, turned me on to this book, and the Story of B. Like others, the very foundations of my upbringing were rocked. Growing up a nice little capitalist protestant, I was very shocked by what I heard. Not that it was offensive...but that it was true. A student of biology, the teachings found within Ishmael and The Story of B make perfect sense. I want Daniel Quinn to know that he has changed my whole perspective, my attitudes, and I am now attempting to change my life. And I, too, am attempting to spread the ideas of animism.
    David Bole <dbole@hotmail.com>
    Long Beach, CA USA - Tuesday, September 30, 1997 at 11:29:28 (PDT)
    (mr. webmaster, i would be grateful if you could foward this message to mr. quinn. My purpose in sending this is in the last paragraph).

    dear mr. quinn,
    my name is sanjay sundram. I am a post-graduate student studying visual communication at the Indian Institure of Technology- Bombay, India.

    I read your book last year. I thanked the person who lent it to me and recommended it to a lot of other people. I told them that it was a book about saving the world. They gave me a strange look and promised to read it and never did. The ones I did manage to convince gave up when they could not find your book in any of the bookstores here.

    Soon I stopped being a book-publicist. Not only did I not like the job, I felt that I was quite unsuccessful at it. I decided to do something I am a bit better at.

    For the last 3 months, I have worked at creating a multistorey artwork that runs through the Industrial Design Centre building in my campus. As a person walks around, in the building, he understands the things that Ishmael talks about by wall murals, sculptures, paintings, sound, picture projection and a stack of written explanations placed at regular intervals. The project will be completed and constructed at the end of November when it will be displayed for a week.

    I.I.T- Bombay has a large student body. The project is going to be advertised in the campus and a fair number of students and faculty members should turn up. I don't know if my work will change any minds but i do believe it will provoke a discussion.

    I live in the city. When i graduate, people will pay me money to design web pages for them. I admit to a certain amount of disillusionment- I am only helping the airman to flap his wings harder. But I don't beleive giving up my way of life here is feasible nor do I think it is the solution. (This despite the fact that my family had planned to migrate to Port Blair in the Andamans a few years ago).

    I plan to stay where the problems are and do what I can to help. I spent the first six months of this year designing a site, Virtual Wildlife for the World Wildlife Fund for Nature. It dealt with animals and conservation and was for children. It felt nice though I am not sure whether it did any good.

    My purpose in writing this letter was to show my appreciation for Ishmael. I could also send you some slides, photographs of my current project if you give me an address to post it to.

    sanjay sundram <sanjay@idc.iitb.ernet.in>
    bombay, - india - Tuesday, September 30, 1997 at 10:19:36 (PDT)
    I am a college student at san diego state university. I was introduced to the book in my english class. At the beggining i was "oh no another book to read". But I will admit in all my years in college this book was the most interesting, and most knowledgable i have ever read. Forget the fact that i have a paper due on it in 5 hours and haven't started. I enjoyed reading this novel from start to finish. It is a very eye opening experience, if every person read this book we would have a whole new planet!!!!! But the one thing that puzzles me is what exactly are we to do? How can i start right now in my life to change man's fatal destiny? Do I not use paper or plastic? Do i walk everywhere instead or drive my car? should we protest the big time food producers? I dont know where to start?? please ishmael show me the way !!!!
    trent roman <sonics25@aol.com>
    san diego, ca USA - Tuesday, September 30, 1997 at 08:24:55 (PDT)
    I must say that Ishamael was the most thought-provoking bit of required reading I have ever done. One thing bothered me, though...Why did Ishmael not want to learn about gorillas?
    Janet Styffe <styffej@pacificu.edu>
    Forest Grove, OR USA - Monday, September 29, 1997 at 18:11:52 (PDT)

    OPENED!

    I have just opened the door to the NEXT excerpt from My Ishmael!

    As I have alerted you already...on successive Mondays, the Ishmael/Bnetwork websites will be sharing seven never-before seen writings of Daniel Quinn -- excerpts from the November 11 release date novel by DQ published by Bantam Books called, My Ishmael.

  • "Tunes & Dancers" -- MADE PUBLIC! 4pm (CDT) 29 September 1997

    There's always something going on here, so keep coming back to the Bnetwork and Ishmael websites!

    Alan (the webmaster) <webmaster@ishmael.org>
    Houston, TX USA - Monday, September 29, 1997 at 14:34:41 (PDT)
    Thanks for giving us this wonderful and insightful book on the way our world works and CAN work if enough understanding and effort is given.
    Jeff Alberts <monk1@siu.edu>
    carbondale, IL USA - Monday, September 29, 1997 at 09:38:16 (PDT)
    I would enjoy very much participating in this adventure. However, I cannot read the yellow text at this site and have to go back and forth to read anything, i.e. as I highlight a non-readable area and enter, then I go back and I can read the area because it becomes a dark color....anyone else having this problem? Ishamael is very thought provoking and needs an interactive dialogue so those of us who enjoy debate can participate. Thanks
    Nancy Parker <McPark@webtv.net>
    Oak Ridge, TN USA - Sunday, September 28, 1997 at 05:03:46 (PDT)
    i faced/mother earth and cried/she had turned away and died when One's body is sick with disease Soul leaves it/Aliens had created a diease on her body and called it progressive economy/the virus of greed ate her heart like a parasite that takes without gratitude/Her friends were drugged and sleeping in anger and alcohol their Spirits cut off like hers lost in the Bermuda triangle/the void of unconditional evil trapped in the glue of sadness/Nature/her Truth and Magic/sliced and diced and used to induce the frequency of fear/I faced Gaia/my sister and together we remembered the Eagle Dance I sang her song of growing and freedom/releasing all from the art of shrinking/enforced thru modern thinking/She has made her choice to shake the vermin from her back/to learn of boundaries and attack those who would control her Free Will/Releigion has denied she exsist calling the idea pagan instead in the name of God(her teacher)they cut her up and spill their blood to save the world?? She has made her choice and Awakened her friends/she has made a choice for healing/they use to puzzle and confuse me/the evil ones/the dark ones/who separate and become a virus/how can you understand a virus/it is a mechanical aberration moving along a set groove or pattern/like our onsumerism it has no consciousness for to be conscious is to be One with Great Spirit/They use to puzzle me with their commitment to rigidity it seems so backwards/I no longer have a need to understand them or save them/For to look at the face of shadows is to give validity to the illusion of darkness feeding warped perceptioins of taker justifications.I no longer give them my attention/Give away your attention/give away your power/give your power to create your reality away/giving way to the creation of another reality/the reality of the virus/empowered by your attention/I no longer ned to know anything about them to study them is to allow them to share space in/with me/then I limit Unity. No/Wherever I am there is only room for Love all else must give way as the rock crumbles in the rushing river/No, there shall be no stopping to shake my head in perplexity over why a soul chooses fear as food/I cannot allow confusion as to their bizarre rules of conduct to come over me/Why learn the language of the virus when I am the body.
    Suzanne Coy <rec@maximizer.com>
    Vancouver , BC Canada - Saturday, September 27, 1997 at 10:49:32 (PDT)
    After reading Ishmael, I became obsessed. At the time, I wondered if anyone else was thinking about the stuff going through my head. I now see that there was!
    Debra Cullen <fe791554@er.uqam.ca>
    Montreal, CANADA - Friday, September 26, 1997 at 23:20:19 (PDT)
    I Liked the book. It made me think of a lot of religious ideas I grew up with.

    I questioned some issues ; Does ambition make you a taker? I do not think ambition alone will make you a taker. How about knowledge? Does it make you a better human or does it corrupt your humanity?


    J. Ariss <nchehab@autroute.net>
    Dollard des Ormeaux, Qc Canada - Friday, September 26, 1997 at 18:20:14 (PDT)