The Ishmael Guestbook Archives: 1-28 February 1998


Thank you, Daniel Quinn, for Ishmael. If I could give only one book to every person, it would be Ishmael -- certainly not the Bible, which no one seems to understand. But speaking of the Bible, doesn't the story of Cain (the farmer) and Abel (the nomadic shepherd), seem to be telling the same tale as Ishmael?
Adam and Eve (mankind, of course) produced offspring, including Cain (Takers) and Abel (Leavers). God was more pleased with Abel, and Cain eventually destroyed Abel. As Cain's descendants prospered, they eventually degenerated, leading to global disaster, The Great Flood.
So the way I see it, we Takers need to break this pattern of Leavers becoming Takers, leading to eventual disaster. We need to create something new, becoming neither Leavers nor Takers, but something which combines the best, most useful qualities of each.
Any ideas on how we do this?


Cynthia Perez <fish@discover.net>
Banning, CAT USA - Saturday, February 28, 1998 at 15:34:55 (PST)
Are there readers discussion/action groups related to this material?
P.J.Halloran <Halloran@apsicc.aps.edu>
Albuquerque, N.NM USA - Saturday, February 28, 1998 at 14:43:14 (PST)
I can't believe how hidden this little piece of knowledge (that has turned my world up-side-down) really is. After reading ISHMAEL, I haven't and never will be the same. My friend made me read it, and I will absolutely send the info on to another friend, until all who is ready to save the world...does help to broaden everyone's understanding of who we are and where we need to go. A chat room for all the B's would be the greatest motivator, to hear what everyone has learned from Quinn's influence...to meet the man behind this awesome "opening of thought" would be one of my greatest experiences. THESE BOOKS FEEL SO TRUE!!! Thank you for opening my eyes Daniel Quinn!!!
Holly <tar_me_gan@hotmail.com>
AK USA - Saturday, February 28, 1998 at 00:15:45 (PST)
Should be on the required reading list of every student. Since Salinger's "Catcher in the Rye" I cannot think of another book that could have as much of an impact. This is not only a delightful book to read, but an important one.
E.M. Fedechko,
Edmonton, Canada

Eugene Fedechko <emfed@compusmart.ab.ca>
Edmonton, ab canada - Friday, February 27, 1998 at 13:09:29 (PST)
A book that slapped me in the face and then brought me flowers.
Matthew Scott Gruits <4friends@iserv.com>
Grand Rapids, MI USA - Friday, February 27, 1998 at 12:57:20 (PST)
I just finished reading Ishmael for an ethics class in graduate school. It is the most important book that I have read in my 8 years of "higher education". The possibility of creating a new story suddenly occurs for people with the illumination of the "story" of mother culture. Without this illumination, mother culture is not a story, it is an "is". The greater the number of people who recognize the story for what it is, the greater the likelyhood of creating a new cultural story. Share Ishmael with as many as you can. Shine light on the mythology.

Thank you Daniel for that critical 1st step.

Jon Rokke <jrokke@u.washington.edu>
Seattle, WA USA - Friday, February 27, 1998 at 01:35:44 (PST)
What a refreshing change Ishmael is. As Takers we must learn to take responsibility for our actions, and remember how to think for ourselves. Thank you Daniel Quinn for reminding me that the truth is within myself.
Kristi <kristib@nstep.net>
ID USA - Thursday, February 26, 1998 at 21:32:59 (PST)
I have to admitt that I started to read this book for my anthropology class, but I ABSOLUTLEY LOVED IT!!! Awesome!
Rina Garza <reg3191@acs.tamu.edu>
College Station, TX USA - Thursday, February 26, 1998 at 18:09:16 (PST)
thanks for the site, i read ishmael before it was the thing to do.... struggling to do and be whats next for the planet.
id appreciate email conversation on how others are incorporating the message in their lives.

alan

alan ransenberg <alanr@mail2.ppinc.com>
portland, or USA - Thursday, February 26, 1998 at 15:28:55 (PST)
How does one convince the entire world?
They cannot.

Tyrone Bogues <gsmug@aol.com>
Oakland, CA USA - Wednesday, February 25, 1998 at 22:32:48 (PST)
The Book really fascinated me! I've already given it to a friend, and urged him to do the same when he's finished with it. I believe everyone should read this Novel, for one, to put us all back in our place in the "Community of Life" (Ishmael, pg...).
Eduardo Juarez <eaj1074@aol.com>
Rydal, Pa USA - Wednesday, February 25, 1998 at 21:47:29 (PST)
There is an article in the Apr 3rd, 1997 Rocky Mountain News titled 'FEEL GOOD' RECYCLING --> DECRIED POLLUTION-PREVENTION CONSULTANT SAYS FIGHT LACKS A BROAD STRATEGY that may interest some.
John Maher <maherj@mscd.edu>
denver, co USA - Wednesday, February 25, 1998 at 18:37:37 (PST)
I really enjoyed this book....it has provided clarification of many of the ideas which I have held as personal beliefs for some time

Thank You

Mike Walters <Voodoo9x@aol.com>
Chattanooga , TN USA - Wednesday, February 25, 1998 at 18:28:21 (PST)
I just wanted to say, that Ishmael is the most fantastic book that I have ever read. I'm in college, and our teacher assigned all of us to read it! It was the best thing that has ever happened to me. I hope Story of B will be just as good, because i just bought it! Two thumbs up Daniel Quinn.
Laura <Cassidy37@aol.com>
Decatur, Ill USA - Wednesday, February 25, 1998 at 17:02:20 (PST)

When I was first introduced to Ishmael, it was during a book report. The first thing that came out of the kid's mouth was "It's a story about a telepathic gorilla." The whole storyline seemed unbelievable at first, but once I began to read Ishmael, I was instantly hooked! I have also read "The Story of B" and "Providence: The Story of a Fifty-Year Vision Quest" with great enthusiasm, and continue to give my compliments to Daniel Quinn, for his books have opened my eyes to a new way of living. I am very surprised this book isn't on more reading lists and discussed in classrooms, for it is surely one of the most thought- provoking books I have ever read. Thank you, Mr. Quinn, for giving our culture something to open our eyes to the damage we are ultimatly doing to ourselves.

Bobbi Sampson <Ishmael007@aol.com>
Anchorage, AK USA - Wednesday, February 25, 1998 at 14:01:26 (PST)
Hello fellow b. Like so many others whom have signed this guestbook, I am yet another lost soul in search of answers. I have read Ishmael, as well as B; I find myself lost to find a person or people to discuss this life changing philosophy with. Sound familiar? Feel free to e-mail me... To the gatekeepers of this site, how bout a real time chat room? Ken
ken woods <cjway@netcom.ca>
ottawa, on canada - Wednesday, February 25, 1998 at 12:53:35 (PST)
I am reading Ishmael rigth now and i feel as if i am born a second time.It's so good to read a book which puts into words all the bad feelings who have about your life and about the society you live in.
Now i know that i am not the only one to feel this way. I have the right to feel this way!
CONSCIOUSNESS gives so much power over your life.
LET'S DO SOMETHING!!!_

michellier laurence <michellier.l@humana.univ-nantes.fr>
nantes, france - Wednesday, February 25, 1998 at 03:56:07 (PST)
Thank you to everyone who signed this guestbook. It's incredible to know that all of you think exactly as me. This is the hope that Quinn was speaking of. We can save the world. This book changed the way I look at everything.
Lucas J. Daniel <mongrel@sirius.com>
Oakland, CA USA - Tuesday, February 24, 1998 at 23:25:29 (PST)
Ishmael is one of the most thought-provoking books I have ever read. Thank you for making us think.
J Malone <birdsx3@aol.com>
Talladega, AL USA - Tuesday, February 24, 1998 at 16:22:51 (PST)
A great book and a fresh way of seeing. I suggest Conversations With God,an uncommon dialogue. I forget the author. It adds to the idea of hope and seeing in new ways. Did you know a pound of worms will eat a pound of waste each day?
Frank Cleary <cleary_frank_p/edu_apple-valley_mariana-elem@omail.eee.org>
Apple Valley, ca USA - Tuesday, February 24, 1998 at 14:28:19 (PST)
Considering the limitations of the common language we utilize, I was extremely impressed with Mr. Quinn's ability to clearly express his viewpoints contained in Ishmael, Story of B, and My Ishmael.

I will attempt to do my best to further the concepts as I understood them.

Chip Sohmers <Sputnik1@msn.com>
Lisle, IL USA - Tuesday, February 24, 1998 at 14:07:48 (PST)
I just gave a paper at a conference about Ishmael, and might give another at a national conference in Chicago this year.
timothy krcmarik <tkrcmari@ben.edu>
Lisle, IL USA - Tuesday, February 24, 1998 at 10:11:22 (PST)
Thank you! For those of us who do see and understand, this is another way to share the message.
Jeff Thomas <PJThomas1@aol.com>
Phoenix, AZ USA - Monday, February 23, 1998 at 19:54:58 (PST)
I am New York City high school social studies teacher. Teaching history has opened my eyes even wider to the many injustices in the world. One question that has always stuck out in my mind is why certain cultures seemed to have chosen a path of destruction and obliteration while others continue happily and peacefully as they have existed for thousands of years. Or, why is it that the industrialized way is the right way. And what about such stuff and nonsense like "The White Man's Burden"?! I torture my students with these questions. I read Ishmael a few months ago, and it was if it were personally written for me! I couldn't believe I was reading ideas that I had been tossing around in my head. I hope to make this insightful book required reading for my classes. Thank you. (By the way, same goes for B.)
Danielle Berger <dib108@aol.com>
nyc, ny USA - Monday, February 23, 1998 at 17:36:53 (PST)
I am New York City high school social studies teacher. Teaching history has opened my eyes even wider to the many injustices in the world. One question that has always stuck out in my mind is why certain cultures seemed to have chosen a path of destruction and obliteration while others continue happily and peacefully as they have existed for thousands of years. Or, why is it that the industrialized way is the right way. And what about such stuff and nonsense like "The White Man's Burden"?! I torture my students with these questions. I read Ishmael a few months ago, and it was if it were personally written for me! I couldn't believe I was reading ideas that I had been tossing around in my head. I hope to make this insightful book required reading for my classes. Thank you. (By the way, same goes for B.)
Danielle Berger <dib108@aol.com>
nyc, ny USA - Monday, February 23, 1998 at 17:32:42 (PST)
Having just read Ishmael I am excited to learn of DQ's other books. More higher thoughts to ponder!
Michelle Kothe <mkohte@enid.com>
Enid, OK USA - Monday, February 23, 1998 at 12:38:31 (PST)
I am 17 years old, and I read the story of Ishmael on my own time. I think it is an excellent work of art. I have teachers that wouldn't be able to comprehend some of the philosophy in this book.
Jackie Cortopassi
rochester, michigan USA - Monday, February 23, 1998 at 07:12:45 (PST)
An excellent, thought provoking book.
Nick McGraw <nmcgraw@mph.k12.ny.us>
Syracuse, NY USA - Monday, February 23, 1998 at 05:58:00 (PST)
My cousin recommended Ishmael, said it was her new guidebook. I read it in two sittings (would have been 1, but I finally had to put it down at 3am). It's wonderful to find a place to connect now that I have read it. :)
Kinsey <bjorkgirl@mindless.com>
Dayton, OH USA - Sunday, February 22, 1998 at 16:47:41 (PST)
I've read Ishmael, My Ishmael, and I'm in the middle of The Story of B right now. Daniel Quinn has really done a great job of focusing in on key points in human history that have lead to the world's current problems. I admire him for that. I'm a biology major at Concordia Univ. in Portland, Oregon. Mr. Quinn has put forth some interesting explanations of where our culture went wrong. He has aided in helping me form some firm opinions. If you're reading this Mr. Quinn....Thank You.
Joseph A. DeScala <jdescala@mail2.cu-portland.edu>
Portland, OR USA - Friday, February 20, 1998 at 18:54:51 (PST)
I want to learn more from Ishmael, and move the wheel of life's weavings in a more hopeful and respectful pattern.
Patricia H Cook <patreesea@aol.com>
Ann Arbor, MI USA - Friday, February 20, 1998 at 12:43:20 (PST)
I have read, Ishmael, Providence, The Story of B, and My Ishmael. All of them have helped me immensely. I have not only gained new insights I have found the teachings invaluable in helping me express my beliefs to others. Being a child of Mother Culture I was not really aware that animism existed until I read your books. Thank you.
As a student of philosophy I have always found the traditional philosophers lacking. Something was missing. I was reading Mother Cultures story and knew there was more to be learned.

I just became Internet capable and am so pleased to have the opportunity to tell you my impressions.
Now, I AM B. I have purchased several copies of your books in order to SPREAD THE WORD. I have hounded my (very small)local library enough that they have also purchased copies for their collections.

We must all become B.

Jo Kelly <kellyj3@state.mi.us>
constantine, mi USA - Friday, February 20, 1998 at 07:53:24 (PST)
It is very good to see Ishmael on the Web, I
feel this will facilitate reaching even more
minds than the books themselves undoubtedly have. Good Luck. Rafferty

S. Rafferty Lorin <Lorin SR@aol.com>
Charlotte, NC USA - Friday, February 20, 1998 at 05:14:28 (PST)
I love the books. I would love to make some really deep, insightfull comments, but I am cramped for time.
Robert Kyle Weissman <weissman.13@osu.edu>
Columbus, OH USA - Thursday, February 19, 1998 at 19:59:54 (PST)
We Love your Book Daniel!!!!
Power to the Animals!!

Andrew & Kirsty & Margo <piano.city@xtra.co.nz>
Wellington, New Zealand - Thursday, February 19, 1998 at 19:30:40 (PST)
I'm reading My Ishmael right now, and I think it should be required reading for everyone!
We had planned on giving our daughter (now three) an alternative education, homeschooling wasn't hitting the mark entirely, but unschooling, or in our situation - non-schooling, is feeling like the right choice for us! And now I have some great answers for "friends" who think we're insane for even considering any kind of alternative education. Thanks for your insights, now it's up to us to try and carry them out...

Jacki Harmon <jackiharmon@mail.com>
Northridge, CA USA - Thursday, February 19, 1998 at 16:25:46 (PST)
I've been thinking about the ideas in Ishmael and My Ishmael for a long time, and am glad to see them expressed so clearly. Hurray for Ishmael and Daniel Quinn!
Jeremy Cook <zedmango@aol.com>
Ann Arbor, MI USA - Thursday, February 19, 1998 at 15:32:42 (PST)
Read Ishmael two years ago. Made me search for more answers. My children have read Ishmael and have grown through its message. Other books that provide answers: Mutant Message Down Under and The Chalice and the Blade.
Marcia Evans <deac1@ptd.net>
Nesquehoning, PA USA - Wednesday, February 18, 1998 at 18:44:50 (PST)
I had to read this book for one of my classes at school. I thought it was going to be another boring book that will make no sense,but I was wrong. That book change the way I thinks about things and also the way I see things. I want to thank my teacher for making me read this book. I was the frist good that I ever read in my life. It was kinda hard for me to read,but iI hang in.
Mary Tran <www.goofythug.com>
Avondale, LA USA - Wednesday, February 18, 1998 at 15:09:41 (PST)
I had to read Ishmael for one of my class for school. I thought it would be another boring book that will not effect me at all.After I read this book it totally change the way I look at things. It gave me another way of thinking about things that happens in this world today. I want to thank my teacher for making us read this book. He knows who he is. Thanks alot for making this book for my classmate and me to read.
Mary Tran <www.goofythug.com>
avondale, La USA - Wednesday, February 18, 1998 at 15:01:06 (PST)
I belong to a reading group with eight other women. We read "Ishmael." Unfortunately, not everyone had finished (or even begun) the book by the next meeting; therefore, we did not have a discussion. [Just as a side note, our group spends 90% of the meetings discussing husbands, careers, and sex, or lack thereof.] Reading "Ishmael" had a profound effect on me and I was dying to share my thoughts with someone. I was thrilled when one of the attorneys I work with told me about this website. I only hope that I don't spend all of my time reading it!
Susan Rector Austin <susanrectoraustin@juno.com>
Louisville, KY USA - Wednesday, February 18, 1998 at 14:27:45 (PST)
When I was 12 years old I wanted to study Gorillas in Africa.I recall a night when I was reading "Gorilla's in the mist" by Diane Fossey, and I cried myself to sleep because I knew that I had to do what Diane Fossey did, and save the gorillas. The passion that I had within my heart at age 12 was stronger than anything I have ever felt since then. I am 21 and in my last semester of college. As I look back I see that my passion slowely died because of the way I was forced to be educated. I was easily fustrated with school work, and I was told that in order to study gorillas I would have to be in school for many years. I wonder what would have happened if I wasn't forced to learn the same as every other child and instead been around people and things that fueled my passion????? Ishmael is an amazing book. Just remeber, there is no ONE RIGHT WAY for everyone to live......My favorite quote...All the events,all the people in your life, are there because you have brought them there, what you choose to do with them is up to you. Have a great day and feel free to write.
Mindy Rung <mr17266@appstate.edu>
Boone , NC USA - Tuesday, February 17, 1998 at 16:58:55 (PST)
I'm a big fan of Ishmael, but I'm concerned about a rumor I've heard. Is it true that they are making a movie of the book? If so, does Daniel have any involvement?
Jaymz Bee <jaymzbee@graphicjam.com>
Toronto, ON Canada - Tuesday, February 17, 1998 at 16:44:55 (PST)
2 interesting websites for Ishmael readers:

1. www.zpg.org -this is the site for ZERO
POPULATION GROWTH, you can guess what their
agenda is :) VERY informative

2. www.adbusters.org -this site deals with
our society's consumption lifestyle and how
we can attempt to stop it.

Check both of these out. I'm a member of both
organizations, and I think they are both a
way to start doing something instead of just
sitting around moaning :)

Feel free to e-mail me if you are in Seattle.

Shawn

Shawn <WeNeedRain@aol.com>
Seattle, WWWA USA - Tuesday, February 17, 1998 at 10:00:10 (PST)
There are so many positive comments here that I hate to be a negative voice, but this is bothering me. "Ishmael" changed my view of the world (for the better), but "My Ishmael" has really disappointed me. The emphasis on the "erratic retaliator" lifestyle turns me off because it seems to say that attacking your neighbors is a normal mode of behavior. The book's critiques of the Takers are just as incisive, but they seem rehashed, and the socioeconomic system Quinn offers in its stead isn't very appealing.
Jacob Stohler <jstohler@nando.net>
Raleigh, NC USA - Tuesday, February 17, 1998 at 07:59:23 (PST)
The vision I have been developing for the past 20 years has been reinforced and expanded by Daniel Quinn's writing. For this I thank him with all my soul. For those of you, B's that you are, who also testify that changing one culture is not an insurmountable task for the 21st century, I thank you for being here. Let's keep in contact and work this thing out.
Sabra Gear <sabragear@msinets.com>
Boydton, VA USA - Tuesday, February 17, 1998 at 07:53:20 (PST)
Your site gave me some great insite to the book

Tom Hampson <hampt7j0@numen.elon.edu>
Elon College, NC USA - Monday, February 16, 1998 at 16:33:28 (PST)
I find myself insiting on teaching the lessons of Ishmael and B
Carl G. Quillen Jr. <cgqjr@aol.com>
Summit, NJ USA - Monday, February 16, 1998 at 13:33:24 (PST)
hey, i just saw the IMAX film "AMAZON" -now showing in Scottsdale, Arizona (e-mail me if you're from around here!) and EVERYONE, try to see the above film. It complements Ishmael's teachings admirably. Making the World a better place for generations of Non-Takers everywhere, Peace, Mike in AZ
Mike Yanko <Coyotee63@aol.com>
PHOENIX,, AZ USA - Sunday, February 15, 1998 at 20:57:37 (PST)
Well, what a surprise to find this website.
I am overjoyed to know that i am not alone about feeling how messed up society is.
That is why I wish to leave it. I want to move into the wildlife scene. I dont want to live the way i have been living. I never want to see the fact that our lives revolve around a piece of paper signed by our "beloved" government. THAT bothers me.
I want to re-live the fact that we are "animals", maybe a little more intelligent, but just animals. Hopefully I will be able to "buy" a plot of land from the government, and never come back to society. If you have any questions or comments, please msg me!

John

John Fox <cascus@hotmail.com>
Windsor, Ont CANADA - Sunday, February 15, 1998 at 15:48:00 (PST)
Thank you for a great new outlook on "our" culture. It's a wake-up call.
Kevin Kinsall <kkinsall@mail.east-haven.k12.ct.us>
Groton, CT USA - Sunday, February 15, 1998 at 15:29:13 (PST)
la lecture d'Ishmael m'a permis de clarifier mes pensées et de pousser plus loin le champ de mes réflexions personnelles sur l'homme et son utilité dans le monde. J'espère vivement que les jeunes lecteurs, inspirés à la lecture de cet ouvrage incluent dans leurs pensées le fait que l'homme n'est pas le maître du monde, mais juste un locataire, pouvant également être mis à la porte un jour, pour indiscipline, et que comme les lâches, l'homme serait capable de tout entraîner avec lui le jour de son départ. Il reste à l'homme à prouver au monde qu'il est intelligent, et non seulement ...intellectuel...et industriel...
Ney Thierry <thierry.ney@span.ch>
Lausanne, vd Suisse - Sunday, February 15, 1998 at 09:37:02 (PST)
I read Ishmael 4 years ago, the book being given to me by a good friend. I read it in 4 days and didn't want it to end. My housemate read it next and for the next 3 months we discussd the "flaws" in the taker philosophy. Ishmael empowered me deeply to express the views presented by DQ and to debate with people the current state of the globe. The only draw back, for me, was the book made me feel helpless to the power of mother culture. What needs to be focused on is that there is a lot of good being brought into this world, organizations, discussion groups, grass roots organizations, all fighting for a new world view. But, there is a lot of bad in this world. TEACH THE CHILDREN! I'm currently in the middle of My Ishmael, and School Daze and School Daze 2 really makes a lot of sense. I'm going to buy another copy and send it to my sister and her two boys. I'm always open to new view points so if anyone wants to chat, please drop me a line.
Ryan Roberts <reath@rocketmail.com>
Leadville, CO USA - Saturday, February 14, 1998 at 13:36:37 (PST)
Ishmael presents very plausable reprecustions of the present course of human action. Just as Ishmael reasoned that it is impossible for man to rule the world and, for that matter to live without the "gods", I find it difficult to beleive that the problems man has created will ever be solved without the aid of God. I would welcome all ideas that anyone may present on how we may once again live in harmony with god. Please e-mail me. I belive in God, but am not affiliated with a church or requesting religious debate.

I AM A STUDENT SEARCHING FOR ANSWERS

Jimmy Barber <jb107024@spruce.hsu.edu>
Arkadelphia, Ar USA - Saturday, February 14, 1998 at 13:21:09 (PST)
how's it going fellow "B"s? I just watched a show on silent spring in one of my classes the other day and it blew me away. The gov't was filming a promotion for DDT where they sat kids down on a picnic table while they were eating and sprayed them down with DDT!! it blew me away, I guess they didn't film what happened to the kids the day after! well anyway on that tip don't eat the grapes right now because their fron Argentina and were still selling DDT to them and other third world countries. Or at least wash the damn things good. Well that all I have to ramble about right now, if anyone wants to talk about ideas, and isthe nearby vicinity, give me a buzz.
Dennis "B" Feeney

Dennis Feeney <dfeeney2@wvu>
morgantown, wv USA - Friday, February 13, 1998 at 17:41:51 (PST)
Have people really thought this through? Searching our souls in response to the profound ideas expressed by DQ has led some readers to seek explanation for the transition to the taker lifestyle. Fear of rape and pillage is ludicrous! These little gifts still exist... and to the absolute extreme. What I think we should understand is that there was no one singular reason for the death of leaver society (death, hinderance.. whatever). When a new world vision succeeds, it must fill some vast voids in those who seek it. What I truly wonder is whether the new regime of totalitarian agriculturalists truly understood the devastation to follow. Feeding people seems on the surface such a noble and neccesary effort. I honestly cannot see see this as a response or (gasp!) a program designed to combat social problems in the fertile cresent. I would suggest that agriculture in its infancy may have been viewed in the same way as the invention of the bow; simply a better way to hunt.


woody <cjway@netcom.ca>
ottawa, on canada - Friday, February 13, 1998 at 13:23:16 (PST)
I was given this book to by a friend. I was told that it woud peak my interest. I started reading the first page and couldn't stop reading. It took me two and a half days to complete this book. It was just so amazing to know that I am not the only one. I have not sat down to read a book from front to back for many years, not only is this book great reading, it is very uplifting.
Jamie Colter <enltsr@hotmail.com>
Council Bluffs, IA USA - Friday, February 13, 1998 at 07:04:19 (PST)
Ishmael, My Ishmael and The Story of B are truly enlightening and powerful books. May the views these books espouse continue to spread.
Robbie Phillips <roblyn@memphisonline.com>
Memphis, TN USA - Thursday, February 12, 1998 at 21:25:43 (PST)
I just finished Ishmael and My Ishmael. I think this should be required reading for human beings. I need to buy these, they are essential equipment.
Sue Miller <sqftfarm@montana.com>
Great Falls, MT USA - Thursday, February 12, 1998 at 18:25:54 (PST)
I'm a Senior in highschool and we're reading Ishmael in our cultural Pluralism class. At first, I was like "Oh yeah, here we go with another lame school book." After the first page, I knew it wasn't any ordinary book. I enjoyed reading Ishmael, and it opened my eyes. I now see the world in adifferent light than I used to. I guess even Takers can change!!
Kristina Campbell <hurricanek@mailcity.com>
Marrero, LA USA - Thursday, February 12, 1998 at 16:02:46 (PST)
The gorilla changed my life.
Michael Raczyla <mraczyla@mail.millikin.edu>
Park Ridge, IL. USA - Thursday, February 12, 1998 at 10:32:53 (PST)
I would like to get together with like-minded people to discuss the possibility of setting up a campaign group. I also appreciate correspondence from people with similar philosophies and outlooks who would not mind sharing their views.
I am due to head to Melbourne, Australia in September '98, so I would appreciate some contacts there, as well as here in the UK, if possible.

Mike Whitley <94385726@mmu.ac.uk>
Manchester, UK - Thursday, February 12, 1998 at 09:35:53 (PST)
I so very much didn't want this novel to end that it took me a week to read the last chapter. Moving!
Keri McComb <kmm7012@garnet.acns.fsu.edu>
Tlh, Fla USA - Thursday, February 12, 1998 at 08:30:38 (PST)
As so many have put it in the space, "ddeply unsettling" this Ishmael, but something I've felt all along. It's just a very nice, provoking way to put it. Nice to see it being used in geo and phil classes. Looks like "B" is a must do! Ted Turner says we should be shooting for 2 billion (peolple on earth)..why is no one listening?
listening!

David M. Pope <pope@saturn.caps.maine.edu>
Newcastle, ME USA - Wednesday, February 11, 1998 at 17:45:10 (PST)
Finished My Ishmael last night after reading Ishmael over Christmas break. Invigorating without a doubt. My only question only is this: if our culture is being selected out as all nonfunctional organisms are, do we really have any choice in the matter? Even if we were all to adopt a Leaver philosophy, where is the food going to come from? This planet already is failing to support nearly 6 billion under the Taker system. Perhaps not so quickly as some believe, but soon, it seems inevitable that many many many people will (and must) die in order for this planet to right itself.
Hopefully I'm wrong. Any ideas or readings that offer legitimate alternatives I would appreciate.
"Once you expand your mind, you can never go back." -- booker t. washington

Jay Brieler <jbrieler@siu-med.edu>
Springfield, IL USA - Wednesday, February 11, 1998 at 14:15:42 (PST)
what dose Ishmael look like?

issa williams
nj USA - Wednesday, February 11, 1998 at 13:24:52 (PST)
I read ISMAEL and fell in love. I have felt that the world is not the way it is supposed to be for a long time. My parents taught me this. I'm so happy to see that there are many others who feel the same. I now can isolate my Mother Culture dictated behavior and understand what I need to do to be happy and to make the world a better place. Thank you.
Trista deSousa <tristades@earthlink.net>
Los Angeles, CA USA - Wednesday, February 11, 1998 at 12:36:12 (PST)
I am a new fan to Quinn's revolutionary thoughts he portrays through Ishmael. They (these books) changed the way I look at the world around me. I suppose it affected me so because I am a lot like the characters in the two books of Ishmael. I wish there could be more such stories on the way, but that is just something on my wish list. Quinn has already provided me enough thought provoking material to last a lifetime. Thank you, Daniel.
Jon Yule <whuttup@selway.umt.edu>
Missoula, Mt USA - Wednesday, February 11, 1998 at 05:34:34 (PST)
First Visit. Read Ishmael about 5 years ago and never forgot it. Am now supporting local environmental programs to save the salmon. I have recently purchased another copy of Ishmael (gave at least 3 copies to friends when I first read it), and plan to re-read it. Also will read "The Story of B".

Christa Simmons <clsace9@telcomplus.net>
Everson, Wa USA - Wednesday, February 11, 1998 at 01:22:10 (PST)
I am only temporarily at one of these machines - is there a newsletter by mail? Please contact me!
Kerstin Sinha
Ljusdal, Sweden - Tuesday, February 10, 1998 at 23:38:54 (PST)
thank you for the point of view, it was and is a lifesaver.
erik schelkun <schelkun@erinet.com>
troy, oh USA - Tuesday, February 10, 1998 at 17:49:34 (PST)

"So convenient a thing it is to be a reasonable creature,

since it enables one to find or make a reason for everything one has a mind to do."

--Benjamin Franklin, Autobiography

Jamie Myxter <jmyxter@juno.com>
Seattle, WA USA - Tuesday, February 10, 1998 at 11:05:27 (PST)


Utterly intriqued by what I read. I hope to try and learn more and use those learnings and my past learnings to spread the message.
Roger MacDonald <macdonaldrs@cdm.com>
Cambridge, MA USA - Monday, February 09, 1998 at 14:20:21 (PST)
Daniel, Thank you for the books and the website. As a 55 year old "Jeffrey" I thank you for two more things. I've spent much of my life and a couple of years in therapy trying to find out whats wrong with me. As I told one therapist, maybe it's not me maybe the world is screwed up and I'm one of the fortunate or unfortunate ones who are aware of it! You make me feel as if I was right, I'm ok, it's the world that's out of wack. The second thing is that I have been foundering around as an ex-teacher who quit teaching because I saw it ( education) as a big part of the problem. I have been trying to put my thoughts on paper and write a book about the world that could be. You have been a great help in getting me to focus on the positive. I hope to go beyond you, but then thats the idea, isn't it? Thank you for being a kind teacher. Bill
William E. Olinger <bilbo123@execpc.com>
Madison, WI USA - Monday, February 09, 1998 at 13:50:11 (PST)
Two issues concern me: 1. Logic alone is not enough. There may well be things that escape our imaginations, and our logic. The time span of the "great forgetting" need not discourage people from seeking archeological and anthropological evidence allowing documentation of this period. I am very interested in learning about such evidence. 2. "new minds with no programs at all" are not enough. A program may consist only of education, research and popularization of Ishmael's ideas, but a program it still is, and a program still is needed. 'There is no force greater than an idea whose time has come,' but in this case, there must be an active propagation of the idea, or it may come too late for us humans.
Ted Pearson <Tedpearson@aol.com>
Chicago, IL USA - Monday, February 09, 1998 at 11:08:56 (PST)
I had to read this book for my philosophy
course. I have to say that it made me sit
and think like I have never had to think
before. I even read parts of it to my parents
hoping that they could walk away and benefit
from it. My mother is going to read it as soon
I complete this course and then maybe she
will give it to my sister and so on so that at
the very least this book can get into as many
hands as it needs to. The message in the
book is so obvious, but very hard for us to
accept since "mother culture" has engrained
us with a different message. This book was
an adventure for me to read and I would
recommend, if not demand that everyone
read this message and pass it on for future
generations to enact!!

Tara A. Tate <ttate@mail.millikin.edu>
Elgin, IL USA - Monday, February 09, 1998 at 11:07:20 (PST)
Still reading the story of b. The concepts expressed really resonate for me, but I find myself leary of these 'events' and groups being formed. If people are reflecting as a result of reading the book(s), great, but it seems to becomming a movement,and/ or a vehicle for making a living for some, other than the author. This is not inherantly bad, but it is distasteful.
How are we supposed to step outside the taker viewpoint anyway?? I liked the book better before I came to the website....

emily lidie <www.albtlc@aol.com>
rochester, ny USA - Monday, February 09, 1998 at 08:47:56 (PST)
Still reading the story of b. The concepts expressed really resonate for me, but I find myself leary of these 'events' and groups being formed. If people are reflecting as a result of reading the book(s), great, but it seems to becomming a movement,and/ or a vehicle for making a living for some, other than the author. This is not inherantly bad, but it is distasteful.
How are we supposed to step outside the taker viewpoint anyway??

emily lidie <www.albtlc@aol.com>
rochester, ny USA - Monday, February 09, 1998 at 08:44:38 (PST)
This is a great site. I cannot wait for the update. It gives me streams of ideas for courses to facilitate. One thing we are doing through the church that is particularly tribal is set up a local barter or LETS system. This builds local community and may well be a step away from taker culture toward leaver culture. What do you think? Our first meeting with 40 people took place on Friday and today (Monday) it was a front page article in the local paper. It is not a church project, but a personal project for the local community.
Rev. Robert Bowler <rbowler@albany.net>
Glens Falls, NY USA - Monday, February 09, 1998 at 07:04:00 (PST)
finally a new message and direction
tom wince <twinced1@aol.com>
bumpass, va. USA - Sunday, February 08, 1998 at 18:19:11 (PST)
am a critic. have read most of Story of B. and found the philosophy simplistic. But my mate, She loves both Ismael & sob. I think the palentological evidence is clear that hunter gatherers were a pretty vicious bunch. We still are I admit. But I'm surprised that so many of the technotribe have taken the philosophy to heart. Perhaps because it seems to be crypto-social-darwinism.
We are fans of the deep ecological mag. Wild\Earth published here in VT. Dave Foreman & have a similar but more biological approach . Maybe I'm too much of cynic to buy into anything esp. after buying these Microsoft controlled products.

David Pell <davepell@together.net>
Hinesburg, VT USA - Sunday, February 08, 1998 at 15:37:55 (PST)
I found Ishmael thought provoking. But the end left me extremely unsettled. In discussing with it with a close friend that I passed the book onto, he said he was didn't like the ending. I found it true to form, in that the writer acted like must us have in reading the book...we thought about, we liked, but we keep doing the same thing that is destroying us.
Tim Straub <tstraub@couriernet.infi.net>
Louisville, KY USA - Saturday, February 07, 1998 at 18:32:55 (PST)
hello everyone
there is a mass awakening happening on our planet at the moment. Some of us are awake to that fact, and are moving in a different direction than our "taker" ancestors. Please don't let anyone sway you in your convictions. One person can make a difference if they truly believe in what they are saying. cheers to daniel, keep up the good work. I LOVE YOU ALL!!!!!!

steph sellers <isellars@rogers.wave.ca>
north vancouver, bc Canada - Friday, February 06, 1998 at 12:22:58 (PST)
I think the book "Ishmael" has no chance at even effecting the world. The fact of the matter is that the world is full of takers and there never were or will be leavers. Everyone is a taker. Some people are less of a taker than others. There is no such thing as mother culture. Mother culture is just the way things are. There is no reason why we should save the world anyway. We will all die sometime! If anyone begs to differ, please E-mail me.
Darl Flake <darlwflake@hotmail.com>
Rupert, ID USA - Friday, February 06, 1998 at 07:21:30 (PST)
I think that the book ishmael is very interesting and proposes many different theories. I did not like the theory that was thought to be the right one. The theory of evelution is false and I think the book was false on that, but I think that the way to save the world is by taking upon you the name of the "Leaver".
Darl Flake <darlwflake@hotmail.com>
Rupert, ID USA - Friday, February 06, 1998 at 07:14:54 (PST)
i just fininshed the book last night and still cannot believe it. i never thought it could change my entire thought process and the way that i see things. better than any damn self help book...it seems as if it was a self-awareness book....
nicki erlenborn <nerlenborn@mail.millikin.edu>
decatur, il USA - Thursday, February 05, 1998 at 21:51:55 (PST)
A wonderful read for anyone! The book was recommended to me by a friend of mine and I am glad I was directed in this direction. It pointed out many things of our lives that I have questioned myself, especially about the Genesis story. For sometime it appeared to be missing something. It was missing the proper interpritation of the story...all the pieces were there, we just didn't see them the right way.
Mark Thielen <00mdthielen@bsuvc.bsu.edu>
Muncie, IN USA - Thursday, February 05, 1998 at 20:07:21 (PST)
Hello all.

I am glad that this website exists. Sometimes, after you read something incredible that changes your vision in life, you feel even worse than you did in ignorance simply because you feel like you have all of these new paradigms and no one to share them with. Also, I want to urge some of the people posting to always look for the answer within yourself first, don't get lazy. I am saying this in response to some of the"I really wish Daniel would handle this in this way, or he should have a better solution to this particular problem." The responsibility lies on all of us. If we wait to be spoonfed the answers than we are all in a lot of trouble, given that the participants of this website are probably the best shot we have at turning this place around. Thank you

Melissa Mills <karmel>
Santa Monica, CA USA - Thursday, February 05, 1998 at 19:01:33 (PST)
I was assigned to read Ishmael for my persuasion class I am taking. Usually the books that you are assigned to read for a class are boring, so I thought the same about what this book would hold into. Till, I started to read it, right away it peaked my interest for a long time I have had numerous discussions on the topic of mankind and mankind making this planet into nothing but a giant desert with no life left on it. Needless to say I read the intire book in one night. I have never read a book like this before, it will be one I will no doubt read again and again.
Matthew Todd <mtodd@s-cwis.unomaha.edu>
Omaha, NE USA - Wednesday, February 04, 1998 at 20:10:48 (PST)
Teach me.
Michael Vander Woude <x94vanderwo2@wmich.edu>
Kalamazoo, Mi USA - Wednesday, February 04, 1998 at 17:53:57 (PST)
I have thought for many years that we are an accident and I am looking for "My Ishmael" having enjoyed the other two books.
How would Leavers handle abortion and homosexuality?

Terry Doyle <north bay@royallepage.ca>
North Bay, Ontario Canada/USA - Wednesday, February 04, 1998 at 09:33:34 (PST)

FuturePositive/Foundation for a New Worldview



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We have just started something that readers have been demanding for years: an organization.

The second half of its name pretty well summarizes its purpose: to promulgate a new worldviewspecifically the worldview articulated in the works of Daniel Quinn, of course. Among other things, the foundation, centered in Houston, will sponsor:





Perhaps, most importantly, FuturePositive offers something that readers have been asking for from the beginning: the

opportunity to participate in furthering the new world vision that attracted them to Daniel's work in the first place.


Check out the FuturePositive website!


Webmaster <adt@ishmael.org>
Houston, TX USA - Wednesday, February 04, 1998 at 09:12:31 (PST)
Ishmael was assigned reading in my geology course that dealt with evolution. It really located the missing pieces in the puzzle of humanity. Resistence to the concepts introduced, or reintroduced in Ishmael is considerable. I've found out by talking to friends, family, and countless people on the internet chat rooms. I admire the writing of Daniel Quinn. I only ask that he develop a more plausible scenario of implementation other than a revolution among the homeless. How do we access the mainstream media that's so caught up in its own morality and blind to the destruction going on around us. If this book were more widely read, the earth could be saved. By the way, I sent a copy to the Vatican for my own amusement. Thanks again Daniel Quinn.
Dave Stevenson <REX1@compuserve.com>
lexington, ky USA - Tuesday, February 03, 1998 at 22:13:53 (PST)
What a story...frightening yet hopeful at the same time. Very well done. Thank you.
Rochelle Veasman <rochellev@mindspring.com>
Denver, CO USA - Tuesday, February 03, 1998 at 15:29:00 (PST)
After college, I spent two years on a couch, trying my hardest to come up with some way of using my intelligence creatively and with a minimum of other-exploitation...after nearly self-destructing in a haze of introspection, I landed employment as a quality control lackey for a leading herbal supplement producer...a coworker tossed Ishmael into my cyberpunk existence soon after and forever altered my sorry existence...three years later, however, I have the same job safeguarding some Herbal Takers(I regret all puns) and somehow managed to saddle myself with an amazing amount of debt just so I can partake in the illusion of Earth-ownership(But I really do love my house)...in my dream or solution or whatever a virus evolves that only selects against stressed Homo Sapiens...hmmm...but since I'm a microbiologist by taker trade, this is a line of thinking I probably should not involve myself in...life does a much better job of gengineering anyways(see H1N5 or 0157:H7)...I guess the point of all this is that one of the Laws of Life I've noticed is that whatever I resist, persists...taken another way, whatever we fight or have fought against only becomes stronger due to the attention we give it...even if something appears to be destroyed, like native american leaver cultures, the work we do to justify or coverup or understand the genocide leads to a re-emergence of the ideas that were decimated...thus, by "fighting" taker culture we only ensure its continuance in spacetime...so I guess I'll just keep being a part of the problem, gunning my overpowered pickup around on high-octane fossil fuels and paying for it all by enabling a corporation to strip the wilds of every last useful bit of plant matter...this is my prison, Quinn is my window, and irony is perhaps my only reason for being...

Sorry this ended up being so long, but after reading Ish, B, and my Ish, what was inside had to come out

"Sometimes incredible growth coupled with a minimum of regulation is good for everybody...othertimes, it is just a tumor"

Pete Glenn <fruphen@aol/com>
American Fork, Ut USA - Tuesday, February 03, 1998 at 07:20:08 (PST)
I was brought to the attention of "Ishmael" through the film "Instinct" based on the book. It's being made in the soundstages where I work. I read the "Ishmael," completely out of curiosity, and instantly fell in love with it! It's an amazing book with ideas I always thought about, but didn't know how to express. Both "Ishmael," as well as "My Ishmael," are phenominal!
Alison Kazin <CWME68C@prodigy.com>
Orlando, FL USA - Monday, February 02, 1998 at 21:58:33 (PST)
I read Ishmael a few months ago....which disturbed me...just finished the story of B..which really blew me away.......

as a health care provider...it made me introspect and realize how modern medicine helps perpetuate disease, weaken the species....and is predicated upon the taker idea of the quest for immortality.....the failure to accept disease and death..as part of the natural cycle..... additionally most of the diseases that modern medicine has developed all these exotic treatments for are a direct result of taker lifestyle choices.... afterall humans survived for millions of years without med school grads

Barry Lebowitz <BarryL7738@aol.com>
Bethesda, MD USA - Monday, February 02, 1998 at 14:25:24 (PST)
I am reading your book at this moment and I find it facinating. The way our human culture is described and discussed is amazing. Reading this book has made me realize our human culture and I have come to respect our culture more. The gorilla Ishmael has made it even more intresting.
Cindy Marie Sibbett <student@sd331.k12.id.us>
Rupert, ID USA - Monday, February 02, 1998 at 13:09:49 (PST)
It aint what a man don't know that makes him a fool, but what he does know that aint so.
Michael D. Busniak <ROLAND274@worldnet.att.net>
New Brunswick, NJ USA - Monday, February 02, 1998 at 11:40:11 (PST)
Very good wbsite helped me alot with my project for school.
Msc
Woonsocket, RI USA - Sunday, February 01, 1998 at 15:19:48 (PST)