When it comes to changing the vision of a people, one of the strongest motivating influences can be spoken word, grassroots type methods. Typically, when the opportunity arises, I find myself with probably about 15 minutes of a person’s time to relate some of the understanding Mr. Quinn has outlined in his books before they roll their eyes and say, "Come on, do you really expect us to believe that?!" OR "Wow, I never thought about it like that." The work of the fictional characters of Ishmael and B is fine in a multiple lecture type setting, but what do you do in a social setting? • Ishmael.org, the work & philosophy of Daniel Quinn