As you have so often stated Leaver societies work(ed) because they were time tested for thousands of years. Having destroyed the wisdom of most of these societies, how can one be optimistic for our culture to survive our impending cultural collapse? The generations after our culture has failed will not have any other option but to "invent" systems. Even with a tribal paradigm how can it be expected to work? • Ishmael.org, the work & philosophy of Daniel Quinn