Daniel, I've got a million questions for you . . . such as why you mentioned in Ishmael and The Story of B jesus' sermon on the mount("behold the fowls of the air, for they sow not nor do they reap..."), yet then you include him with the "salvationists"? In the bible (read post-Ishmael) jesus describes religious leaders as "the blind leading the blind, and when the blind follow the blind, both shall fall into the ditch." It just seems to me that the ideas of jesus were used by religions/salvationists to serve their own needs and all the while mother culture tells us that salvation and jesus are one and the same. Along the biblical theme Why no mention of john the "B"aptist? I understand now why jesus wished to be "baptised" by john the B, for when asked by the scribes who he was, john the B replies, "I am he who cries from wilderness." And thanks for going over the "great fall." Powerful story i had never "saw" before.But my real question is Have you ever realized how similar the concepts of Ishmael are to the music of the doors? "Cancel my subscription to the resurrection, send my credentials to the house of detention, i've got some friends inside... what have they done to the earth? what have they done to our fair sister? ravaged and plundered and returned bitter, stuck her with knives in the side of the dawn and tied her with fences and dragged her down, i hear a very gentle sound we want the world and we want it NOW!" I hear parallels between Ishmael and much of the doors music. Is this a question you've been asked? Am i simply "seeing" Ishmael in everything? • Ishmael.org, the work & philosophy of Daniel Quinn