Beyond Civilization

After reading My Ishmael school seems unimportant. I don’t want to fall into the job market flow and i don’t want to be a Taker. I want to spread the knowledge without going through this pointless waste of time people call schooling, yet if i drop out i’ll be looked at as a failure.

Its difficult to know what to do, should i stay in school and be a Leaver at the same time? is that possible? i’d like to hear your views please.

I am a doctor of chiropractic practicing in Canada, where, as in the U.S., much of the “health industry” is controlled by the big monies of the pharmacy companies. I would like to implement a system of care for my patients so they know that they will be taken care of regardless of their ability to pay.

The laws currently will not allow us to barter for services and when I do discount the fee, I feel the patients don’t value the service and almost feel guilty receiving it for free, since they know the exchange has to be a monetary one. In our current system, it is hard to deal with this.

I would like to drop the grip that this exchange(money) has on our office, but obviously it keeps us running and able to purchase supplies. Any thoughts on how to implement a system where everyone takes care of everyone and therefore everyone gets exactly what they need?

I am writing a short story about a small community in present day California that decides to implement your ideas from Ishmael and My Ishmael (e.g., not locking up the food, laws that work for the way people are, an education system that lets children follow their noses and learn from thier environment, etc.) into their society as social experiment.

I am a fiction writer, and I think this will help me to understand your philosophies. This has been a fun and challenging project.

I was wondering if you have a vision of what a modern day “leaver” society would look like? I would be interested in comparing your vision with my own. I have searched the Q&As to the best of my ability and did not see a specific answer to this question, if there is one, could you point me to it?

In Section 12.11, Ishmael tells the narrator of the novel that “. . . it should be noted that what is crucial to your survival as a race is not the redistribution of power and wealth with the prison but rather the destruction of the prison itself.” I would like a little help with that statement.

What was DQ’s interpretation of this statement? What was the point that he was trying or is getting at?

A book was recently written by an author named Richardson B. Gill that is being hailed in the anthropological community as the last word in explaining the collapse of Mayan civilization. In short, Gill attributes the collapse to factors almost solely related to drought caused by global weather pattern fluctuations involving active volcanism in the region and a related shift of the mid-Atlantic high pressure region over the Yucatan peninsula in the ninth and tenth centuries A.D.

He has come up with tough-to-dispute geological and meteorological evidence for the presence of these climate fluctuations and it is due to the nature of this evidence that he is being continually lauded in academia as the man who finally solved the Mayan mystery.

I know you have stated that droughts are not sufficient cause for the end of a civilization, but he’s talking about unheard of die-out-rates of over ninety percent for both the Mayan and hunter-gatherer populations in that geographic region. This seems to me to be precedent for the end of a civilization by means of almost pure physical deprivation.

If they indeed “walked away,” I think it was more due to an interpretation of the gods’ perceived condemnation of the Maya’s previous way of life. In essence, “look what it brought on its people.” Hence the vandalism. Basically, when people can’t get water, they die.

How does this affect your own personal thesis on the Mayan collapse?

You speak of programs very often as being only reactionary, but it seems that some can lead to new directions; especially if they are tribal. For example, Food Not Bombs is a program that is leading to a world free of totalitarian agriculture.

I saw you write that free food is not the place to start. However, with programs such as this I think it can be a place to start. Do you encourage tribal programs in this nature?

I found your ideas, about tribal business, from Beyond Civilization interesting, but the food is still under lock and key. How do tribal businesses remove the food from lock and key?

I live in Nicaragua, and I would say that 50% of the people here belong to tribal businesses exactly as you describe them. Still, a few rich manage to maintain strict hierarchy, and food under lock and key.

From the evidence here, it doesn´t seem that purely tribal business “works”(domination system evolves to suck it in). It also occurs to me that this idea of tribal business has forgotten many other aspects which made tribes “work.”